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bballref3966 Wed Apr 23, 2014 04:58pm
Series of Articles on NFHS Proposals
 
Basketball rules committee talking points with Theresia Wynns, NFHS Director of Sports & Officials Education - cleveland.com

From cleveland.com.

I am in favor of 18-minute halves to keep the game moving and take away two intermissions where everyone is considered bench personnel. I am not in favor of a shot clock. My main reasons...

1) Check out the article on that link about the cost of shot clocks
2) It's not high school basketball's job to get its +/- 3 percent of future college players ready for the next level.
3) The game flows well enough without a shot clock, and it would put less skilled teams at a tremendous disadvantage.

Nevadaref Wed Apr 23, 2014 05:48pm
I would only favor the move to 18-minute halves if the officiating fees were to also increase by the same percentage (12.5%).

JRutledge Wed Apr 23, 2014 06:48pm
I would be an advocate of 18 minute halves as well for no other reason other than it could help the game. But I do not see pay increasing like that either, at least around here.

I still see no reason to have a shot clock in HS.

Peace

AremRed Wed Apr 23, 2014 07:53pm
I would be willing to bet she misspoke and meant 16 minute halves.

bballref3966 Wed Apr 23, 2014 08:21pm
I think the argument that the kids will get tired playing four more minutes is a little bit ridiculous. Four minutes more or less than 32 is not going to have a major impact on their fatigue. These kids want to be out there. Are we saying that we should limit the number of overtime periods to not tire the kids out? Basketball is innately a tiring activity, and upping the length of the game by four minutes will not make it a "more tiring" activity or more dangerous.

The other argument that I don't like is the one about kids getting done even later on a school night. If we take away two 1-plus minute intermissions by going to halves, that's a net addition of a mere two minutes, an extra four minutes of playing time minus at least two minutes of intermissions. If those two minutes are really that big of a concern, take less time in the locker room after the game.

I don't think these arguments should be reasons not to change to halves.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Apr 23, 2014 08:58pm
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Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 932535)
I think the argument that the kids will get tired playing four more minutes is a little bit ridiculous. Four minutes more or less than 32 is not going to have a major impact on their fatigue. These kids want to be out there. Are we saying that we should limit the number of overtime periods to not tire the kids out? Basketball is innately a tiring activity, and upping the length of the game by four minutes will not make it a "more tiring" activity or more dangerous.

The other argument that I don't like is the one about kids getting done even later on a school night. If we take away two 1-plus minute intermissions by going to halves, that's a net addition difference of a mere two minutes, an extra four minutes of playing time minus at least two minutes of intermissions. If those two minutes are really that big of a concern, take less time in the locker room after the game.

I don't think these arguments should be reasons not to change to halves.

The players may not get tired playing an extra four minutes but I sure will if I have to officiate an extra four minutes, especially on days when I do not get my pre-lunch nap and my post lunch nap. :p

MTD, Sr.

Adam Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 932523)
I would only favor the move to 18-minute halves if the officiating fees were to also increase by the same percentage (12.5%).
I'd be happy with an inflation increase every year.

As far as halves, if they go to 16 minute halves, I'd be fine. I just see this as yet another solution in search of a problem.

AremRed Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 932535)
I think the argument that the kids will get tired playing four more minutes is a little bit ridiculous. Four minutes more or less than 32 is not going to have a major impact on their fatigue. These kids want to be out there. Are we saying that we should limit the number of overtime periods to not tire the kids out? Basketball is innately a tiring activity, and upping the length of the game by four minutes will not make it a "more tiring" activity or more dangerous.

The other argument that I don't like is the one about kids getting done even later on a school night. If we take away two 1-plus minute intermissions by going to halves, that's a net addition of a mere two minutes, an extra four minutes of playing time minus at least two minutes of intermissions. If those two minutes are really that big of a concern, take less time in the locker room after the game.

I don't think these arguments should be reasons not to change to halves.
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 932539)
The players may not get tired playing an extra four minutes but I sure will if I have to officiate an extra four minutes, especially on days when I do not get my pre-lunch nap and my post lunch nap. :p
Not to mention getting in the bonus and double bonus more often, which further slows down the game and frustrates players and coaches.

paulsonj72 Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 932533)
I would be willing to bet she misspoke and meant 16 minute halves.
Who knows? 18 minute halves are used here in Minnesota and have been since the 2005-06 season. Don't know about official pay though.

JRutledge Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 932556)
Not to mention getting in the bonus and double bonus more often, which further slows down the game and frustrates players and coaches.
They can adjust just like they do at the college level. Not a big deal if you ask me.

Peace

JetMetFan Thu Apr 24, 2014 06:56am
Regarding FTs, one of the questions on the NCAAW rules survey this year concerns returning to 1+1 on the 7th foul with no double bonus.

Thoughts on this at the HS level?

SE Minnestoa Re Thu Apr 24, 2014 08:41am
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 932568)
Regarding FTs, one of the questions on the NCAAW rules survey this year concerns either returning to 1+1 on the 7th foul with no double bonus.

Thoughts on this at the HS level?
Awful idea for game flow. No reason to just keep pounding until the bench is empty. I like the idea of triple bonus after 13.

Rich Thu Apr 24, 2014 08:52am
I'd be thrilled to go to halves.

Give each team 5 timeouts as now. 1 60, 4 30s. First stoppage after 8:00 (16 minute halves) or 9:00 (18 minute halves) in each half becomes an uncharged 60 second timeout.

Things wouldn't change much, but we'd eliminate 2 last second shots, which is the best reason to go to halves, as far as I'm concerned.

RefCT Thu Apr 24, 2014 08:54am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 932533)
I would be willing to bet she misspoke and meant 16 minute halves.
I am not sure she misspoke. In the NFHS survey this year, they had a question about 18 minutes halves. I was confused as to why it wasn't 16. I am not sure why they wouldn't go to 16 instead of 18, but hey, that's two places the NFHS has used the 18 minute half talk now.

JRutledge Thu Apr 24, 2014 09:21am
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Originally Posted by RefCT (Post 932577)
I am not sure she misspoke. In the NFHS survey this year, they had a question about 18 minutes halves. I was confused as to why it wasn't 16. I am not sure why they wouldn't go to 16 instead of 18, but hey, that's two places the NFHS has used the 18 minute half talk now.
Once again, Minnesota went to 18 minute halves originally as an NF experimental rule. Minnesota like the rule and kept it. This has been several years this half proposal has been suggested as a new rule. It is not a new thing and of course has not passed. I actually do not see it passing this year either for the reasons we have stated like pay and players being tired. I guess we will see.

Peace


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