NC: Kentucky vs UConn
 

Opening a thread for the national championship game.

DeRosa throwing the opening tip.

Looked like an incorrect whistle for a backcourt violation about five minutes into the game.

I thought that too. DeRosa was right there but it didn't appear that the ball touched the backcourt during the dribble.

Officials ignore a running OOB violation (per the NCAA rule) by UConn and they hit a 3 on the possession with just under 5 mins left in the first half.

That wasn't DeRosa.

Peace

Was the final foul of the first half in the act of shooting?
Seemed that the player had the ball in his right hand when fouled and then switched it over to his left for his shot.
2.9 secs on the clock

UConn player on the wing with about 12:50 on the clock in the first half.
Did he travel before going around his defender for a dunk?

About midway through the first half UCONN guard drives the lane and leaves his feet and passes to his team mate on his right. His player misses the ball, looks like the ball goes untouched, and the same guard retrieves his own pass. Happening right in front of the KY bench, Coach Calipari, needless to say, has a little hissy fit.

Just shows to go you.....
 

I initially thought it to be a pretty good call at first. But, the second angle looked like it wasn't BC.

Really? Sure looked like it was him. Well you Yanks would know better than I would :)

The taller white guy is not DeRosa. I will look at the replay to be sure, but I am pretty positive that was not DeRosa.

BTW, Doug Shows was an official I saw at a UConn at DePaul game last season. Shows T's up Ollie for being out of the coaching box. UConn won in kind of a blowout, but I never forgot him after that afternoon game I attended.

Peace

These guys for the most part are having a great game. I agree with about every call they show in slow motion. Very solid so far.

Peace

I have to agree with JRut. This crew had solid night overall.

At least one team on the court did....terrible basketball.

I did not love the charge that Verne Harris made, but we have all been there.

Peace

While I haven't look at the video to see the play, why would it matter that he switched hands?

I agree. The misses were generally minor and hard to really complain about....the backcourt call was wrong but insignificant as was the lack of a call on the running OOB violation mentioned above. One foul called incorrectly was the PC called on the spin move by #22 for UK....there was very little contact at all and defender flopped.

There was really only one drive where I thought there appeared to be a substantial amount of contact where I'd like to have seen a different angle on.

Napier shot the lights out....UK missed their FTs and really missed Cauley-Stein and his ability to back up his guards and let them play more aggressive defense on the perimeter.

I thought so.

I thought it was touched by the defender.

No, that was Doug Shows.

By all accounts, "maybe" two misses on the night.

A terrific job by Harris, Shows, and DeRosa - made more so perhaps by all the stuff that went on in the semis that drew controversy.

Dammit, Rut - just ONCE I'd like to catch you being wrong ;)

Eleven years and counting.... :D

Watch one of my games, and you will see things wrong more than I would like to admit. ;)

Peace

much better game than it looked. points in the paint were at a premium on both ends, no uncontested shots, a ton of blocked shots.

Two whistles were definitely incorrect (bc call after first five minutes and PC by Verne). There are a few others which we can debate.

I will agree that the crew was excellent overall in a game that wasn't easy to call. Lots of blocked shots and rebounding battles. I give them an Attaboy.

That is pretty darn good if you ask me.

The kick call was a great call.

Peace

I thought the officials did an excellent job. And even if the missed two calls, that is a high percentage of correct calls. The difference I that game was uconn FTs 10 for 10 or so and Kentucky 15 for 30 or something.

I also saw one team clang a bunch of missed free throws (uk 54%) neither team shot 50% from the field (uconn 41%) several souvenirs thrown into the stands (23 turnovers) and the winning team averaged 1.5 pts a minute

When Vern Harris is the referee, he always has the U2 throw the ball up.

Pretty tough to define it as continuous motion when the other hand is used to shoot the ball.

Not sure I've ever heard that interpretation before. If it is all in one effort/motion, I view it as continuous.

Only time I've seen this argument is when the contact knocks the ball completely free, then the airborne player grabs it out of the air and puts it in.

The argument is simple. If the ball wasn't in his left hand when he was fouled and that is the hand the player eventually shoots it with, then he couldn't have been in the act of shooting FOR THAT TRY at the time of the foul.
To put it in question form: how could he have already begun the try when the ball wasn't even in the hand that he used to shoot?

If an official is going to consider that continuous motion, then the player should be permitted to execute a crossover dribble between the foul and the try. What difference does it make if the ball bounces on the floor or not in the switch between one hand and the other?

I've never seen anything that even remotely suggests what you're suggesting....that a try that starts in one hand can't be shifted to the other. The attempt to score begins when that start to go up with the ball and continues until they release the "try", lose the ball, or come down with it. Whatever specific movement they do with the ball after they start going up to score is of no consequence.

Shows tossed the ball. He is far more muscular than Derosa, plus Shows always palms the ball in one hand to show off :D . He's a pretty big dude.

Just b/c you view it one way doesn't mean it's correct, or what's interpreted elsewhere is incorrect.

I know I saw Harrison go to through lane in the 2nd half, get bumped, then pass the ball off. And I know I saw the Crew Chief indicate a "pass off" and give Harrison bonus free throws instead of 2 shots.

Any chance we can get video of the play Nevadaref is talking about?? I didn't see it, and am having a hard time picturing what is being discussed...did the player jump to shoot right handed, get hit, and then shift ball to left hand and shoot before landing?

Video Request
 

2nd half at 18:05

Attempted dunk by UConn player is blocked by UK player but continues to the rim. UConn player appears to still have ball in hand to continue the dunk, ball hits the rim, but dunk is not completed.

The crew goes to the monitor and resets the shot clock.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but was there a NCAA video bulletin last season about this play and to NOT reset the shot clock? :confused:

Correct, if the ball does not leave the shooters hand, it is not considered a shot clock attempt and the shot clock should not be reset.

Doug Shows tossed (I believe he was actually U2)
Joe DeRosa was U1
Verne Harris started in U2 position (believe he was R and let Shows toss)

The NBA rule on shot clock resets is what the NCAA-M should go to.....ball hits rim (doesn't matter how/why) = reset. Currently in NCAA-M, clock reset ONLY when legal shot hits rim.

Thanks for re-affirming my memory.

intercept pass and land on opponent
 

What are the thoughts in the game last night when the UCONN player picked off a pass and landed on a pretty much stationary Kentucky player who was waiting to receive the pass? It was ruled a block. Did anyone else see that play and know about when it took place. I believe it was in the second half.

You're are correct about the interp, but in the play in question here, the ball did leave A1's hand and hit the rim.

It was not only a good call, but a great call. As a matter of fact he came forward towards the UConn player (Boatright) and contacted the Kentucky player (Harrison) that was airborne. Replay showed that clearly and was a good foul by Shows. Harrison never gave Boatright a place to land and was not in a legal position when Boatright went airborne. Replay showed how good a call this was. It was hard to tell live and the angle of the camera.

Peace

Post a Video
 

C'mon Jeremy, show us what you got. You went from a ms video, to rehashing something from last year, to an NBA video in the past few weeks.....

Show us your skills !!!!!

I can't post videos. I have been banned by the public due to my poor past performance.

True, but have you ever heard anyone say that shifting the ball from one hand to the other ends the try?

And I agreed with the pass off call. I don't think he was in the shooting motion on that play...not because he ultimately passed but because he was never in a shooting motion.

I thought it was the correct call. Defender caught the ball and became offense, Harrison moved towards him while he was airborne. If the defender hadn't caught the ball and it made it to Harrison, the foul would have been the other way since the onus on obtaining a legal position is on the "defense".

That's why I'd like to see the video of this play; I wasn't sure if it did.

Guys -

I'll get to these tomorrow. It took a bit to find some of them (ahem... :rolleyes: ) and now it's time for me to hit the hay. I think APG got dinged by the NCAA video police so he's off the grid for a bit.

You can watch the game here: Championship Game. The play occurs with 2.9 seconds left in the 1st half.

The switching of hands appeared to occur primarily b/c of the backboard being in the way of shooting with his right hand.

How would you rule on these plays?:

• The Micheal Jordan shot Video where he starts with one hand and switches to the other. Lets say he got fouled after starting his motion but before he switches hands are we not scoring it?

• B1 fouls A1 as he is jumping to shoot a layup. B2 is defending the basket and forces A1 to switch hands and shoot a reverse layup.

This isn't applicable to whether or not we would rule a shooting foul but for fun ;) if you were the person in charge of inputting the stats at the scorers table would you record 1 made field goal on 2 attempts in Jordan's play?

In my opinion the rules support this as being a shooting foul but I think that its good Nevada brings the question up. Anytime we can think critically/differently it helps us in truly understanding the rules. :)

Are we talking about the Randall play?

I do not see anything unusual or that would make me not call a shooting foul.

Peace

Don't tell us anything we don't need to know.

Jeremy -

Not only have you been barred for posting poor videos, but now you start a thread and it was integrated into an already existing thread......

Damn.....:D:D:D

Just watched the and-one play of Randall's with 2 seconds to go in the first; he goes up with two hands, is fouled, and finishes with the left. Not sure what the discussion is even about. Is someone really suggesting you wave that one off?

Great game all around by the officials I thought, there were some great blocks that I was happy to see nothing called on because there was nothing there. Randall had a couple beautys. The only play that stuck out to me was that PC on the spin move. I'm sure that official is not happy with that call in hindsight, but the defense really sold it on him.

I have no idea why we are discussing the foul at 2.9 of the 1st half. It's a basic 'And-1' play. :confused:

I know it didn't put it in this thread bc I knew all the topics would get intermingled. You can't tell what reply goes with what specific play.

Please post the video of the Kentucky dunk while being fouled by Brimah of UConn during the 2nd half. The score was 48-39 at the time. The whistle occurred at 10:40 of the second half.

Why? So we can debate BI?? Ok, "John Adams".