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VaTerp Tue Apr 01, 2014 08:54am

ND vs Baylor (Women's)- One Person Blarge (Video)
 
Curious if anyone saw the one person blarge at the 5:05 mark of the second half.

The trail official clearly is about to go offense then changes her mind and calls a block. Had she gone offense it would have been the 5th foul on Baylor's best player when they were already down double digits. Obviously I have no idea if that factored into the quick change in the call but it looked very......interesting.

As for the call itself, I'd like to see it again. My initial reaction seeing it live and with one replay was that it could have gone either way.

Rich Tue Apr 01, 2014 08:55am

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 930136)
Curious if anyone saw the one person blarge at the 5:05 mark of the second half.

The trail official clearly is about to go offense then changes her mind and calls a block. Had she gone offense it would have been the 5th foul on Baylor's best player when they were already down double digits. Obviously I have no idea if that factored into the quick change in the call but it looked very......interesting.

As for the call itself, I'd like to see it again. My initial reaction seeing it live and with one replay was that it could have gone either way.

The Baylor coach probably would've been ejected, too, which would've been the only really entertaining moment of the game.

JetMetFan Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:25am

video added
 
Here's the play...

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ballgame99 Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:34am

From her angle you have to go PC don't you? B1 maintained LGP and wasn't coming toward A1. Now from the other angle there wasn't much contact there and a no call could be justified.

but OP is right, that is a cringe-worthy mechanic by the T.

JetMetFan Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:40am

My $0.02 = she might have realized the moment she blew the whistle it should've been a no-call. Inadvertent is a tough one to sell but she may have thought penalizing the defender was the lesser of two evils.

Again, just a guess.

Not perfect but I know it's happened to me. Not in a regional final but it has...

VaTerp Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 930155)
My $0.02 = she might have realized the moment she blew the whistle it should've been a no-call. Inadvertent is a tough one to sell but she may have thought penalizing the defender was the lesser of two evils.

Again, just a guess.

Not perfect but I know it's happened to me. Not in a regional final but it has...

Thanks for posting the video JMF.

I've had it happen to me where I blew a whistle then immediately thought it should be a no call and I've even changed my mind as I blew my whistle. Don't think I've ever, or ever seen, an official so clearly going offense then changing it to a block. I easily understand how it happens just don't know that I've seen it. Much less on the stage of a regional final. But again, I definitely understand.

IMO looks like a no-call or offense. Not sure what the defender did illegal but also think the defender embellished the contact significantly.

I wonder what the NCAAW tournament assignor thinks of this and what was discussed subsequently.

BatteryPowered Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 930155)
My $0.02 = she might have realized the moment she blew the whistle it should've been a no-call. Inadvertent is a tough one to sell but she may have thought penalizing the defender was the lesser of two evils.

Again, just a guess.

Not perfect but I know it's happened to me. Not in a regional final but it has...

You may have a point. She does almost get herself straight-lined (can't really blame her as I thought the action would have gone a different direction).

Sometimes you whistle just kinda blows itself...then you are stuck with needing to make a quick decision.

Welpe Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:54am

Should have gone with her first instinct.

Adam Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:57am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 930161)
Should have gone with her first instinct.

You're just begging for a repeat of last year?

Rich Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:05pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 930170)
You're just begging for a repeat of last year?

That would've been the most entertaining thing in that game. I actually watched 1.5 women's hoops games last night, which is the most I watched since this time last year.

AremRed Wed Apr 02, 2014 01:02am

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 930136)
The trail official clearly is about to go offense then changes her mind and calls a block.

The Trail needs to take some lessons from this guy on how to change your mind mid-signal:

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Nikki Wed Apr 02, 2014 08:41am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 930252)
The Trail needs to take some lessons from this guy on how to change your mind mid-signal:


:confused: He didn't change his mind mid signal...he just counted the basket :confused:

Rich Wed Apr 02, 2014 09:31am

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Originally Posted by Nikki (Post 930269)
:confused: He didn't change his mind mid signal...he just counted the basket :confused:

Yup. No question.

JRutledge Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:05am

That is a PC all the way. Not sure what changed her mind.

Peace

zm1283 Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:53am

I think both videos in this thread are PC fouls.

lamarr1958 Wed Apr 02, 2014 01:09pm

That's because both videos show player control fouls. The Syracuse/ Duke call was probably worse since definitely beat him to the spot before he began his upward motion towards the basket. That is the call that made the call at 10 seconds in the second half hard to swallow.

Multiple Sports Wed Apr 02, 2014 05:31pm

Odessey Sims
 
If that wouldn't have been her 5th, she would have been gone. All three referees knew how many whe had. And Muffitt McGraw now has an ace in her pocket and she knows it. They have to come down and "give " her a 50 / 50. Up 12 at home she can live with that. I realize that all the purists say she had to call a charge, but that isn't reality.... Right, wrong or indifferent.

If she could do it all over....no call !!!

However Rich is right...would have loves to see a PC called and watch Mulkey lose it...

Give me a MD / Baylor Final and the sideshow would be great.....Mulkey and Friese !!!!! And of course threee female referees.

Nevadaref Wed Apr 02, 2014 08:20pm

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 930352)
If that wouldn't have been her 5th, she would have been gone. All three referees knew how many whe had. And Muffitt McGraw now has an ace in her pocket and she knows it. They have to come down and "give " her a 50 / 50. Up 12 at home she can live with that. I realize that all the purists say she had to call a charge, but that isn't reality.... Right, wrong or indifferent.

Wow! Just wow, that you actually think this way about officiating. :(

Rich Wed Apr 02, 2014 09:33pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 930366)
Wow! Just wow, that you actually think this way about officiating. :(

At least he's consistent.

twocentsworth Thu Apr 03, 2014 02:39am

The play in question was definitely an offensive foul (which would have been Odessy Sims 5th foul).

Now fouls number 3 and 4 that were called on her were completely and utterly bogus.

There were a number of instances, calls in favor of each team, that were very suspect. Overall, I would say this crew should have performed better than it did given the fact it was a Regional Final (and you would assume that the assigned officials are of a very high caliber).

Rooster Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 930136)
Curious if anyone saw the one person blarge at the 5:05 mark of the second half.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 930157)
Don't think I've ever, or ever seen, an official so clearly going offense then changing it to a block.


Shouldn't this be a chock? :D

rockyroad Thu Apr 03, 2014 01:34pm

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Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 930378)
The play in question was definitely an offensive foul (which would have been Odessy Sims 5th foul).

Now fouls number 3 and 4 that were called on her were completely and utterly bogus.

There were a number of instances, calls in favor of each team, that were very suspect. Overall, I would say this crew should have performed better than it did given the fact it was a Regional Final (and you would assume that the assigned officials are of a very high caliber).

Got video of those "bogus" calls?

Or are we just supposed to take your word for it? Cause based on your track record on this forum, don't think anyone is taking your word for it.

AremRed Thu Apr 03, 2014 01:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikki (Post 930269)
:confused: He didn't change his mind mid signal...he just counted the basket :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 930273)
Yup. No question.

This is a block/charge play with the defender trying to draw a charge......can you explain why the official did not give a preliminary signal?

Raymond Thu Apr 03, 2014 03:26pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 930418)
This is a block/charge play with the defender trying to draw a charge......can you explain why the official did not give a preliminary signal?

Because he didn't want to? :confused:

Even though I disagree with the call, there is absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind what Roger called on that play, so I don't see the big deal about a preliminary.

ballgame99 Thu Apr 03, 2014 04:43pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 930426)
Because he didn't want to? :confused:

Even though I disagree with the call, there is absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind what Roger called on that play, so I don't see the big deal about a preliminary.

Actually there was. He points a fist in the other direction (charge) but did so in a chopping motion (count the bucket). And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.

Rich Thu Apr 03, 2014 04:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 930418)
This is a block/charge play with the defender trying to draw a charge......can you explain why the official did not give a preliminary signal?

Same reason I wouldn't -- I would come up with the fist and score the basket. Isn't that self-explanatory?

Rich Thu Apr 03, 2014 04:57pm

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 930434)
Actually there was. He points a fist in the other direction (charge) but did so in a chopping motion (count the bucket). And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.

More often than you guys think. If it's a charge, he wouldn't score the basket.

Nevadaref Thu Apr 03, 2014 05:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 930435)
Same reason I wouldn't -- I would come up with the fist and score the basket. Isn't that self-explanatory?

Not at the NCAA men's level where the basket can count if the try was released prior to the charging foul. My point is that it is possible to have both, so counting the basket is not clear.

AremRed Fri Apr 04, 2014 06:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 930434)
And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.

Exactly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 930426)
Because he didn't want to? :confused:

Even though I disagree with the call, there is absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind what Roger called on that play, so I don't see the big deal about a preliminary.

There is doubt in my mind.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 930435)
Same reason I wouldn't -- I would come up with the fist and score the basket. Isn't that self-explanatory?

Not at all. Can you tell me why a preliminary signal differentiating whether this is a block or a charge should not be used?

River Ref Fri Apr 04, 2014 07:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered (Post 930158)
You may have a point. She does almost get herself straight-lined (can't really blame her as I thought the action would have gone a different direction).

Sometimes you whistle just kinda blows itself...then you are stuck with needing to make a quick decision.

Sometimes the whistle just........... I like that explanation and yes it has happened to me more than once over the years. I do remember waving the whistle (Eating it)and resuming play at POI.Yes, I looked stupid, but the teams went on. Another time I quickly pretended to pick something up from the floor and put in my pocket.

Raymond Sat Apr 05, 2014 09:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 930434)
Actually there was. He points a fist in the other direction (charge) but did so in a chopping motion (count the bucket). And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.

I see his normal 'count the basket' mechanic. He goes behind the head for PC.

Rich Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:47pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 930551)
Exactly.



There is doubt in my mind.



Not at all. Can you tell me why a preliminary signal differentiating whether this is a block or a charge should not be used?

Explain to me what's the difference? Obvious to me he was counting it. I know the NCAAM rule - the call, to me, was obvious.

Picking nits on these guys doesn't strike me as a particular useful use of time.


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