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Nevadaref Sun Mar 30, 2014 05:03pm

Kentucky vs Michigan (Video)
 
Block/Charge with 44.5 seconds left in the first half.
(I have it as a blatant charge.)

Nevadaref Sun Mar 30, 2014 05:07pm

BI no-call on Kentucky follow-up dunk about 2:31 in the first half.

JRutledge Sun Mar 30, 2014 05:33pm

I was surprised that the BI was missed.

Peace

bballref3966 Sun Mar 30, 2014 05:37pm

Anyone catch the staredown/taunt by the Kentucky player under the basket after his big blocked shot? I thought that was an easy T that was missed.

JRutledge Sun Mar 30, 2014 05:42pm

If I am thinking about the play you are talking about, I had no problem with that situation. I would like to see it again, but there is always some emotion after a big play. If it is prolonged, then that is a different story from my point of view.

Peace

Nevadaref Sun Mar 30, 2014 05:48pm

Similar BI called at 9:47 of 2nd half.

JRutledge Sun Mar 30, 2014 05:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 929911)
Similar BI called at 9:47 of 2nd half.

I thought the first one was easier and more obviously missed.

Peace

canuckrefguy Sun Mar 30, 2014 05:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrutledge (Post 929908)
i was surprised that the bi was missed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrutledge (Post 929912)
i thought the first one was easier and more obviously missed.


+1

Quote:

Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 929909)
anyone catch the staredown/taunt by the kentucky player under the basket after his big blocked shot? I thought that was an easy t that was missed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrutledge (Post 929910)
if i am thinking about the play you are talking about, i had no problem with that situation. I would like to see it again, but there is always some emotion after a big play. If it is prolonged, then that is a different story from my point of view.

+1

bballref3966 Sun Mar 30, 2014 06:00pm

I don't know where staring down an opponent on the ground is considered acceptable, and I know John Adams has made his stance on unsportsmanlike behavior clear. However, I would like to see the play again as well and maybe I'll think differently. But, at least initially, I had a T or at the absolute least a stern "that's enough" when I was watching.

JRutledge Sun Mar 30, 2014 06:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 929914)
I don't know where staring down an opponent on the ground is considered acceptable, and I know John Adams has made his stance on unsportsmanlike behavior clear. However, I would like to see the play again as well and maybe I'll think differently. But, at least initially, I had a T or at the absolute least a stern "that's enough" when I was watching.

I did not say it was acceptable. But there are elephants and there are ants. I think that was an ant at best. And yes at the higher levels or even good HS games some emotion is expected. And if that is a T, any other level of emotion is a T too IMO. Again, I said I would like to see it again to be sure, but I did not think that was over the top or a slam dunk that it should have been called. I have seen a lot worse that was not penalized.

Peace

Nevadaref Sun Mar 30, 2014 06:08pm

No whistle with 1:15 remaining in 2nd half.

bballref3966 Sun Mar 30, 2014 06:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 929915)
I did not say it was acceptable. But there are elephants and there are ants. I think that was an ant at best. And yes at the higher levels or even good HS games some emotion is expected. And if that is a T, any other level of emotion is a T too IMO. Again, I said I would like to see it again to be sure, but I did not think that was over the top or a slam dunk that it should have been called. I have seen a lot worse that was not penalized.

Peace

Understandable and I agree, but there is a difference between self-motivation (chest pounding, screaming "let's go," etc.) and emotion that is directed at an opponent. Even of the Kentucky player's staredown was not T-worthy, it was still clearly directed at an opponent and that I why I think at least a "knock it off" would be appropriate. I have no problem with emotion, but I do have a problem with taunting and unsportsmanlike behavior directed at an opponent, especially one on the ground. The blocked shot itself did all the talking, no reason to risk costing your team two points.

JRutledge Sun Mar 30, 2014 08:53pm

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Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 929921)
Understandable and I agree, but there is a difference between self-motivation (chest pounding, screaming "let's go," etc.) and emotion that is directed at an opponent. Even of the Kentucky player's staredown was not T-worthy, it was still clearly directed at an opponent and that I why I think at least a "knock it off" would be appropriate. I have no problem with emotion, but I do have a problem with taunting and unsportsmanlike behavior directed at an opponent, especially one on the ground. The blocked shot itself did all the talking, no reason to risk costing your team two points.

Well not all officials have the same judgment or feeling about these things. And if you work that level you might have a different position as your judgment will be questioned more. And for all you know, they could have said something to the player or the coach. There were no problems in the game after that moment.

Peace

yooperbballref Sun Mar 30, 2014 09:24pm

Just watched the second half on the DVR.
Would have been interesting if Michigans final shot went in. On the inbound the pass was tipped but the clock did not start. Officials would have had to get out the stopwatch.

Nevadaref Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by yooperbballref (Post 929931)
Just watched the second half on the DVR.
Would have been interesting if Michigans final shot went in. On the inbound the pass was tipped but the clock did not start. Officials would have had to get out the stopwatch.

I too didn't think that the clock started properly on that play.


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