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CNYREF Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:00pm

Mich state v. Virginia (Video)
 
Why is Payne for mich state allowed to taunt and yell in the face of Virginia players every time he dunks....has anyone else noticed this...I understand you don't want a technical for something like that in this big a game but a warning or tell him to stop?

zm1283 Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:01pm

I just posted the same thing.

DRJ1960 Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:05pm

At least they are calling every tenth foul committed....

DRJ1960 Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:19pm

Not a push in Big 10....

canuckrefguy Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:25pm

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Originally Posted by DRJ1960 (Post 929634)
Not a push in Big 10....

That might be the worst no-call I've seen in a while.

Multiple Sports Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:51pm

I actually thought this crew did a nice job.....Brian O'Connell does a great job of staying out of the game.....

canuckrefguy Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:08am

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 929660)
I actually thought this crew did a nice job.....Brian O'Connell does a great job of staying out of the game.....

I agree, for the most part. But that no-call was a big miss, IMO. Especially at that juncture of the game.

AremRed Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:26am

Are you guys gonna post a time on these plays so others can know where they are?

Edit:

taunting play is at 10:27 second half, 7:50 too

push was at 37.3

canuckrefguy Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:12pm

Push off was in the last :30 I believe, throw-in in MSU's backcourt, right in front of Virginia's bench.

APG Sat Mar 29, 2014 01:07pm

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Originally Posted by CNYREF (Post 929624)
Why is Payne for mich state allowed to taunt and yell in the face of Virginia players every time he dunks....has anyone else noticed this...I understand you don't want a technical for something like that in this big a game but a warning or tell him to stop?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy (Post 929703)
Push off was in the last :30 I believe, throw-in in MSU's backcourt, right in front of Virginia's bench.

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AremRed Sat Mar 29, 2014 01:24pm

Play 1: Unsporting technical

Play 2: TC

canuckrefguy Sat Mar 29, 2014 01:39pm

First play: definitely worth a warning if it keeps happening - but a T on this play probably eliminates any other BS.

Second play: T might have been stacked on that play - but C couldn't have a better view. New L probably has a view but is nowhere near enough to have a whistle.

CNYREF Sat Mar 29, 2014 02:13pm

The problem is he did that same thing 3 times that game..the taunting...nothing ever was said as far as I could see

just another ref Sat Mar 29, 2014 03:31pm

Did he push off? Yes. But it was to free himself. Defender was holding him first. Had his arm wrapped around his back.

canuckrefguy Sat Mar 29, 2014 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929725)
Did he push off? Yes. But it was to free himself. Defender was holding him first. Had his arm wrapped around his back.

At no point do I see the defender's arm "wrapped".

They are in close quarters, but there's no hold there.

just another ref Sat Mar 29, 2014 04:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy (Post 929727)
At no point do I see the defender's arm "wrapped".

They are in close quarters, but there's no hold there.

Look at the 24-25 second mark. Arm wraps around, hand on the back, almost touching the number.

canuckrefguy Sat Mar 29, 2014 04:34pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929735)
Look at the 24-25 second mark. Arm wraps around, hand on the back, almost touching the number.

Arms from both players come together at the moment of the push off. Offensive foul.

If the "hold" is so bad - call the hold.

DRJ1960 Sat Mar 29, 2014 05:01pm

This game reminded me of a private conversation I had this winter in a High School gym while working a game...

Veteran official "observing" my game: "Are they paying your partner?"
Me: "Sure, why wouldn't they?"
Vet: "He hasn't made a call other than OOB all night."

Raymond Sat Mar 29, 2014 05:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 929660)
I actually thought this crew did a nice job.....Brian O'Connell does a great job of staying out of the game.....

Uggghhhh!!!!!!!!

Raymond Sat Mar 29, 2014 05:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CNYREF (Post 929624)
Why is Payne for mich state allowed to taunt and yell in the face of Virginia players every time he dunks....has anyone else noticed this...I understand you don't want a technical for something like that in this big a game but a warning or tell him to stop?

The guy has a great last name, but I'm getting him for that first dunk.

Raymond Sat Mar 29, 2014 06:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929725)
Did he push off? Yes. But it was to free himself. Defender was holding him first. Had his arm wrapped around his back.

Agreed, call the hold and we don't have to worry about the push.

JRutledge Sat Mar 29, 2014 08:09pm

I would get him for taunting or talk to him at some point. Honestly, no one knows if he was talked to unless you were in the arena watching the game and saw the official step to that player or talk to a coach. And even then it would be hard to know for sure if he was warned.

The second play both players have their arms on each other. And yes the Virginia player has his arms around the waist of the MSU player, but I see no restriction. I would have called the push off more likely.

Peace

just another ref Sat Mar 29, 2014 08:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy (Post 929738)

If the "hold" is so bad - call the hold.

That was the whole point.


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