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grunewar Mon Mar 24, 2014 07:39pm

NIT: Georgetown vs Fla State (Video)
 
13:30 remaining in 2nd half. No call on contact in front of Georgetown bench. John Thompson III - comes on the court to show his displeasure. WHACK!

Bad Zebra Tue Mar 25, 2014 07:04am

What's the issue? Quick trigger by the official? Did he deserve it? It is kinda rare to see a coach get whacked in the post season tourneys...wonder if he would have gotten stuck in the big dance.

grunewar Tue Mar 25, 2014 07:26am

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 928766)
What's the issue?

The issue was a collision in front of him/his bench where his player was nearly knocked over, and was knocked out of bounds. The T was right there and passed on the foul, but awarded the ball to FSU, because the Georgetwon player was now out of bounds. Thompson came onto the court after the L, who whacked him. He absolutely deserved it.

PS - Georgetown was down by ~ 10 at the time.....so there defintiely was some "trying to spark his team" in his actions IMO. But, again IMO, the contact was pretty severe and should have been called.

APG Wed Mar 26, 2014 03:35pm

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AremRed Wed Mar 26, 2014 03:40pm

I have a foul on the initial play.

That said, this seems like a weak T to give considering the missed call. On a scale from 1 to Jim Boeheim, this is only a 3. If he had been a problem earlier or had been warned before this happened then the T is understandable.

Camron Rust Wed Mar 26, 2014 03:47pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 929102)
I have a foul on the initial play.

That said, this seems like a weak T to give considering the missed call. On a scale from 1 to Jim Boeheim, this is only a 3. If he had been a problem earlier or had been warned before this happened then the T is understandable.

Yep. Definitely a missed call.

If I miss a call, I'm going to give the coach a bit more room to vent but only so much. I can't tell what the coach said here but it very well may have included some language that just couldn't be ignored.

Raymond Wed Mar 26, 2014 04:34pm

Missed foul call.

T is for yelling at an official who had nothing to do with the play. That tells me JTIII must have been in that official's ear earlier in the game.

Multiple Sports Wed Mar 26, 2014 05:38pm

I think we gotta give JT III some leniency on this play considering that was an obvious foul that was missed !!!!!!

JRutledge Wed Mar 26, 2014 05:55pm

I do not see this as a foul. I see the FSU player beat the player to the ball and subsequent contact was incidental.

Of course a coach thinks any contact is a foul, but I am not so sure the contact took away an advantage to the GT player when they seemed to be beat to the ball.

Peace

Rich Wed Mar 26, 2014 05:58pm

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 929124)
I think we gotta give JT III some leniency on this play considering that was an obvious foul that was missed !!!!!!

Not including coming out on the floor like that. He can yell all he wants from the blue paint.

OKREF Wed Mar 26, 2014 06:01pm

Obvious foul. RSBQ. Certainly affected his balance. Honestly he didn't react that bad considering how bad the missed call was.

Rob1968 Wed Mar 26, 2014 06:42pm

JT III first looks at the Trail, and then goes after the Lead. Had he lost confidence in the Trail, due to something earlier in the game, and wanted to address the Lead regarding this play? It's a bit strange, since Trail was so close to the play, and passed.

BryanV21 Wed Mar 26, 2014 07:49pm

I would probably let him yell, but going out onto the court to do so is definitely t-worthy.

JugglingReferee Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:37pm

I too give a coach a bit more leniency on a missed call. This play is a great example of a missed call. However, the coach's actions were beyond what I'd allow so I believe the T is a good call.

jeremy341a Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:32am

How can this not be a foul? The V player is blasted off his spot by a player running over him trying to intercept the ball? Even if the H player touches the ball first, which I'm not so sure he did, that doesn't give him the right to knock the V player from his spot. Correct or am I thinking wrong?

zm1283 Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:02am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 929131)
I do not see this as a foul. I see the FSU player beat the player to the ball and subsequent contact was incidental.

Of course a coach thinks any contact is a foul, but I am not so sure the contact took away an advantage to the GT player when they seemed to be beat to the ball.

Peace

Color me shocked. :rolleyes:

Camron Rust Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:38am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 929260)
Color me shocked. :rolleyes:

The only way that one isn't a foul is if you're officiating football.

JRutledge Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 929260)
Color me shocked. :rolleyes:

The official on the game did not think it was a foul. ;)

I realize we watch these videos and we think we know better than the officials in the games. But this is a very typical kind of contact for a loose ball and the bigger guy is going to make with a smaller guy, they are going to win that contact battle. The defender made a great play and touched the ball first and then contact took place. If I would not call that in another situation where the bigger guy got to the ball, I am not calling that on a pass. I call enough fouls in games and those games on on video to prove. The GT player was not in an advantageous position just standing there and expecting the ball to get to him.

Peace

AremRed Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 929278)
I realize we watch these videos and we think we know better than the officials in the games.

With replay and multiple angles, we are.

JRutledge Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 929285)
With replay and multiple angles, we are.

Well the angle I see is mostly what the officials saw. He passed on the play. I agree with his judgment. And just like every other play, people disagree here too.

And if someone here would have called a foul, I would not have thought it was a travesty or a terrible call.

Peace

Rich Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:47pm

Just my view: I think the GT player had advantageous position and the contact displaced him.

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I like the video we've been able to watch and dissect, but I'd be willing to bet there's at least one play from every game we work where we could have a similar discussion. More than one.

(We're also not acknowledging that there's a significant gray area in many of the calls we make or don't make. Was it a foul? Could be. Wasn't in that game.)


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