Nebraska coach ejected (Video)
 

Got his second T somewhere around the 11:00 minute mark of the second half. Questionable. Just called a foul on a Nebraska player, and he was waving his arms wanting to talk about the shot clock, was at scores table. Looked like he was complaining about foul.

The shot clock never moved once they inbounded the ball. The assistant coaches alerted Miles to that. Was he wrong for going to the scorer's table? Definitely, but should the shot clock be stuck on 15 for 3 or 4 seconds without any of the officials recognizing that, probably not! Numerous touch fouls on both ends, terrible to watch. Nebraska wasn't going to win shooting 25%. Karl Hess is my hero, I will leave it at that!

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Would love to see video of both T's, if available...

The first one he earned for sure. Didn't like a foul call, that was really plain to see.

I am from Illinois and currently live in Nebraska...that game was over-officiated from the start...Miles earned his 2nd T when he used up all of his rope in the first half.

I think this accentuates the need for more national officiating standards...Nebraska like Ohio state played big 10 basketball in a game officiated with different expectations. Having conferences hire officials with their own expectations for assignments and advancements and then a national tournament where those same officials may *may* be asked to officiate a different tempo/style/expectation does the game a disservice.

Nebraska did not play to win that game...don't call me a fanboy...I'm a fan of the game and that game looked ugly. I'm also a fan of quality officiating and in my opinion that was sub-par.

That is my 2 cents...please proceed to hate me now.

Not sure if you could call that basketball. If anyone breathed on anyone, it was a foul! Who likes to watch that? I didn't give Nebraska much of a chance against an athletic Baylor team, but with this crew, they had no chance. It is what it is so I guess we should get used to it.

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Here are the Ts and the plays which led to them

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I wish someone would tell me what a "touch foul" is.

If contact places an opponent at a disadvantage, it's a foul, no matter how minimal the contact is. If a player gains an advantage with contact, it's a foul, no matter how minimal the contact is. I'm 100% sure that the three guys on the floor are much more familiar with how John Adams wants the game called than anyone hear.

Know the rules, go to the table, request a timeout for the shot clock mistake and you don't get tossed.

I have no dog in this hunt ... but there were far too many fouls called that the vast majority of NCAA referees would have not called. Incidental contact that didn't affect the game at all, that sort of thing.

Well, that wasn't incidental contact on the second play. He wasn't arguing the foul, he was talking about the shot clock. It just looked like he was arguing the call. However he had no rope left because he complained the whole time he was in the game.

2nd T
 

JetMet, thanks for posting. After seeing this, I'm having a really hard time deciding how I would handle that situation (the 2nd T).

Miles was clearly pointing at the table, trying to get their attention, and Hess wasted no time sticking him without even trying to understand WHY he was flagging them down/pointing at the table.

As we've discussed in other threads, officials have been known to 'un-do' a T...and if Mr. Hess took 2-3 seconds to listen, he probably wouldn't have sent Miles packing early. I can also see the argument that Miles ran out of leash...this is a tough one!

Matt, look at the replay at around 1:53. He is walking toward the division line waving his arms. Only after Hess starts towards him does he point at the table. By then, it's too late.

Karl Hess has a camp in Pittsburgh in the end of April, if he is your hero.....:D:D:D

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Good point...it's too bad (I'm not a Nebraskan) because if you've ever listened to Miles or seen him in action he is one of the most-sportsmanlike coaches I've ever seen...definitely got caught up in the moment today.

1st play was the definitely marginal at best. Hand is on top of the ball. Picked a bad time to go bezerk

Hard to be overly critical of fellow officials. Having said that, I think it was far from the best officiated game of the past couple of days.

Just curious, are you saying that walking towards the division line waving ones arms is sufficient for getting a (2nd) technical?

He was considerably out of the coaching box, wasn't he?

Both fouls were consistent to what I've seen this week.
A lot of the "touch fouls" I've seen were defender passively guarding, and not calls I'd make in a high school game.

(BYU-Oregon was "touch foul" central. (Eyewitness.) 45+ fouls, and that was a 20 point difference.)

Coach must request a time out, can't go to the table. Saw this called two-plus decades ago by Dave Libbey. Looks terrible, but it is what it is.


Not like the refs called a T for dunking in the pre-game warm ups.
Oh, wait.

Hard to call a timeout when you don't have the ball...just saying

There's protocol for fixing errors like this. Breaking that protocol comes with a risk, and that risk is increased when you've already been warned and whacked. You might just get walked.

I like both fouls and Ts.

The first one the player "bellied up" the shooter and then the other player hit the shooter on the elbow and wrist.

The second play the defender was not vertical. It does not seem that was the reason the coach was complaining, but the coach went out of the box, way out of the box. I like the second T for that too.

Peace

After the foul was called the shot clock issue became moot, so what was he going to accomplish at the scorer's table?

he was there before the foul was called

ok, so say he doesn't go to the table and the play proceeds as it did...how would he be able to fix anything?

1. I honestly don't know what the protocol is.

2. Do we honestly think these guys aren't going to notice on their own after a short amount of time?

3. My recommendation: Get the clock operator's attention and the let them deal with it. His short leash from acting like an idiot after a solid foul call earlier left him with little recourse.

The play is at the other end of the court. The officials are watching the play, not the coach. Once the foul is called there was no reason for him to continue trying to get the officials' attention, which he did.

So he's supposed to just let the play unfold without a shot clock? It stayed at 15 for the entire play, which I believe consumed about 6-7 seconds of game time before the foul. What if it ran for more than 15 seconds and then the foul occurred?

Is it a case where since there was a foul under the 15 seconds, and before realizing a timing issue, the play stands? *I understand the officials and scorers were unaware of the timing issue until after the game.*

I'd like to know for my own understanding of the rules.

Agree....both pretty obvious fouls, not marginal at all.

As for the 2nd T...agree, you really can't be that far out of your box yelling anything at anyone after you've had one T.

We assign one person (the HC) final responsibility for ensuring that 5 of his players are on the court. (Even though we have mechanics to prevent having to call that T.)

Not resetting and starting the SC was missed by how many people? 3 + 1 + more (other table personnel who would have had the time and knowledge to rectify this error). So, at least 5, likely 6 or 7.

When the GC read 11:22, the SC showed :15. The GC stopped at 11:17, which means the SC should have read at most :10. But we also know that the SC wasn't running properly for some time. I bet that it wasn't running for a long enough period of time that would negate the non-urgency that Team A had on that entry pass. Imho, the mistake definitely affected the play. And in fact, the play as it developed wouldn't've even happened in that fashion.

And we want to kick a coach out of a tournament game because of this?

I see little common sense in that.

Let's walk the coach back to his bench, listen to his words, and then respond by saying that "if it happened that way, I'm sorry it was missed". Remind him that leaving the coaching box is often subject to penalty, and then "we'll work harder". That'd be a great no-call.

Just my 2 cents.