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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:58am

Jet Man: Video Request for Dayton-Ohio State (Video)
 
Jet Man:

The "talking heads" on CBS said that the contact at the 4:54 mark of the first half was not a foul. My question to everybody is: "What say you?"

MTD, Sr.

AremRed Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 927855)
Jet Man:

The "talking heads" on CBS said that the contact at the 4:54 mark of the first half was not a foul. My question to everybody is: "What say you?"

MTD, Sr.

Foul.

Adam Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:52pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 927855)
The "talking heads" on CBS said

Based on this, I'm guessing foul.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Mar 20, 2014 01:15pm

It looks like the Bucks are going to give the game away: Bucks up by two and they foul Dayton with 26.3 seconds in the game while Dayton is shooting a 3-pt FG and Dayton drains all three.

MTD, Sr.

JRutledge Thu Mar 20, 2014 01:18pm

Not so fast, they have a lead now. ;)

Peace

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Mar 20, 2014 01:21pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 927862)
Not so fast, they have a lead now. ;)

Peace


Game over, and the my bracket is shot to hell (not really, I have Syracuse beating OSU in the second round). LOL!

MTD, Sr.

JRutledge Thu Mar 20, 2014 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 927863)
Game over, and the my bracket is shot to hell (not really, I have Syracuse beating OSU in the second round). LOL!

MTD, Sr.

Sure, because Craft was taking the shot. He almost never comes through. ;)

Peace

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Mar 20, 2014 01:56pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 927864)
Sure, because Craft was taking the shot. He almost never comes through. ;)

Peace


I am a Kansas (my mother's alma mater)n fan when it comes to basketball. When both Mark, Jr., and Andy were first learning to talk, while my mother-in-law was trying to teach them how to say "grandma" my mother taught them how to say: "Rock Chock Jayhawk! Kaaaaay Uuuuuu!" And they learned it too. LOL!

MTD, Sr.

ballgame99 Thu Mar 20, 2014 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 927879)
I am a Kansas (my mother's alma mater)n fan when it comes to basketball. When both Mark, Jr., and Andy were first learning to talk, while my mother-in-law was trying to teach them how to say "grandma" my mother taught them how to say: "Rock Chock Jayhawk! Kaaaaay Uuuuuu!" And they learned it too. LOL!

MTD, Sr.

Of course you have to add the "when it comes to basketball" qualifier on there.

JRutledge Thu Mar 20, 2014 02:26pm

Is this the Aaron "Choker" Craft Flagrant 1 foul play?

Peace

OrStBballRef Thu Mar 20, 2014 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 927886)
Is this the Aaron "Choker" Craft Flagrant 1 foul play?

Peace

No the 'talking heads' actually agreed with that call...as do I. It was an intentional/FF1 as Craft ended up wrapping up the player on the drive and didn't make a play on the ball.

Good call IMO.

JRutledge Thu Mar 20, 2014 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by OrStBballRef (Post 927894)
No the 'talking heads' actually agreed with that call...as do I. It was an intentional/FF1 as Craft ended up wrapping up the player on the drive and didn't make a play on the ball.

Good call IMO.

No so much, because John Adams was on TNT talking about the call and he was getting blow back from the guys in the studio. I agree it was a good call, but it was suggested that this action by Craft was not "excessive." I love how Adams said, "You have to go on an read further in the rule...."

Peace

AremRed Thu Mar 20, 2014 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 927896)
No so much, because John Adams was on TNT talking about the call and he was getting blow back from the guys in the studio. I agree it was a good call, but it was suggested that this action by Craft was not "excessive." I love how Adams said, "You have to go on an read further in the rule...."

No, he was getting blowback from Charles Barkley who wasn't even there. I did think the discussion of what an "intentional" foul used to be was funny.

As for your apparent hate for Aaron Craft.....he shot 50% on go-ahead baskets in the last minute of the game and almost hit the last one. I don't think that makes him a choker.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Mar 20, 2014 02:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 927886)
Is this the Aaron "Choker" Craft Flagrant 1 foul play?

Peace

Yes.

MTD, Sr.

AremRed Thu Mar 20, 2014 02:51pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 927901)
Yes.

No, it's not. JRut was asking about the original play you asked about which happened in the first half. The FF1 play was at the end of the game.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Mar 20, 2014 03:03pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 927903)
No, it's not. JRut was asking about the original play you asked about which happened in the first half. The FF1 play was at the end of the game.


Oops! :eek:

MTD, Sr.

APG Fri Mar 21, 2014 02:11am

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Raymond Fri Mar 21, 2014 07:28am

I can live with the no-call.

VaTerp Fri Mar 21, 2014 08:14am

I can live with the no-call as well.

What I'd like to see is the OOB call at the end of the possession. Tough one but looks like we should have been staying on this end of the floor.

TriggerMN Fri Mar 21, 2014 08:39am

Did the red player gain an advantage by contacting the white player? The white player was passing the ball and completed his pass easily. Absolutely fine with a no call here.

Rob1968 Fri Mar 21, 2014 09:42am

Red certainly gained no advantage by knocking W32 down and away from the lane/basket. However, if the play was intended to be a give-and-go, W32 was severely disadvantaged, and the intended offensive play was nullified.
If we're concerned with illegal advantage/disadvantage, although one might rule that Red gained no advantage, would one not consider that White was caused a disadvantage?
For those who say the no-call was okay, is there a level at which one would call such contact - HS/JV, HS/Varsity, etc.?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Mar 21, 2014 09:43am

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Originally Posted by TriggerMN (Post 928024)
Did the red player gain an advantage by contacting the white player? The white player was passing the ball and completed his pass easily. Absolutely fine with a no call here.



And if White's play called for W-2 to make a quick return pass to W-1, would be very difficult with W-1 sitting on his tuchus.

R-1 was attempting to defend against W-1 and got there late and made contact with A-1 to knock him to the floor.

Let us say that Red is losing with less than thirty seconds in the game and needs to foul. I would be dollars to donuts that this would be a foul. This contact is a foul in the first 15:06 of the game as well as the last thirty seconds of the game.

MTD, Sr.

JRutledge Fri Mar 21, 2014 09:46am

I could live with it either way. Looked more like an off balance player.

Peace

Blindolbat Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:31pm

There is too much contact to ignore there. A foul in my opinion.

Sharpshooternes Sat Mar 22, 2014 03:37am

He should have taken the shot.

ronny mulkey Sat Mar 22, 2014 09:59am

Inconsistent?
 
If just brushing a dribbler or cutter going to the basket puts the offensive player at a disadvantage (nullifying a possible easy basket) then this play definitely is not a play on. These mandates are making the games look very inconsistent. I'd like to see more scoring just like everybody else but I don't want it to be from the f. throw line.

The games have no flow.

JugglingReferee Sat Mar 22, 2014 04:15pm

I too agree that this is quite a bit of contact to permit. Though I also see at the higher levels this is a non-call. I think it should be called though; not calling it may make it difficult to adjudicate similar plays consistently.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Mar 22, 2014 07:27pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 928250)
I too agree that this is quite a bit of contact to permit. Though I also see at the higher levels this is a non-call. I think it should be called though; not calling it may make it difficult to adjudicate similar plays consistently.


One cannot let this contact at any level because if it is not called then rougher play or retaliation is not far away.

MTD, Sr.


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