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Nevadaref Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:43pm

UCSB fan confronts Hawaii coach on the court! (Video)
 
What is going on? People are totally out of control.
I'm going to have to spend some time this off-season seriously thinking about whether I wish to continue as an official.

NCAAM Fan angrily confronts Hawaii coach - ESPN

JetMetFan Fri Mar 07, 2014 07:55am

Here's the play/incident...

Hawai'i #32 and the Hawai'i HC both received Ts. The fan should've received an a**-whipping.


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JRutledge Fri Mar 07, 2014 08:03am

I am surprised the HC was not ejected. Maybe he got away with that when the fan came out of the stands.

BTW, looks like good blocks all the way around. It is called defense, they are allowed to play it too. ;)

Peace

BryanV21 Fri Mar 07, 2014 09:24am

As for whether there was a foul on one or both of the shots... I can't tell from the angle, but on the first shot attempt by the Hawaii player it looks like the defender may have gotten a little more than the ball. However, on the second shot attempt I've got nothing.

The tech on the player was correct. Even though he may have been fouled, that's no excuse to act the way he did.

And it surely should have been a tech on the HC for Hawaii. He was not only out far on the court, but he was pointing at the official and giving him an earful. The fact a fan goes out and gets in his face should have no bearing on whether a tech was granted.

I guess that since a tech was just called against the team, the officials decided not to call another.

letemplay Fri Mar 07, 2014 09:27am

Did anyone notice the Hawaii player that intercepts the fan and sort of shoves him away from his coach is NOT in the game at the time and comes off the bench to involve himself in the matter? Nothing escalated, but just think what could have happened..

grunewar Fri Mar 07, 2014 09:51am

Speaking of escalation, where was security? Game Management?

I know it's difficult to expect them to react quickly to in incident that happens quickly like this, but the guy was on the court for a while and THEN went all the way back to his seat before being escorted out. I would think someone should have reacted faster than that.......

PS - I heard on the radio this AM the FANatic was arrested, and rightly so.

scrounge Fri Mar 07, 2014 09:56am

So all the guy gets is some elderly usher escorting him out well after the incident?? Where's the cops?

SE Minnestoa Re Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:11am

After this incident, the fan should be in the pokey and have to be calling my son the defense attorney.

JRutledge Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 926125)
Did anyone notice the Hawaii player that intercepts the fan and sort of shoves him away from his coach is NOT in the game at the time and comes off the bench to involve himself in the matter? Nothing escalated, but just think what could have happened..

I have no problem with anything these players did. They had wonderful restraint considering they do not know what this guy might have had or why he was there.

Peace

BryanV21 Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 926125)
Did anyone notice the Hawaii player that intercepts the fan and sort of shoves him away from his coach is NOT in the game at the time and comes off the bench to involve himself in the matter? Nothing escalated, but just think what could have happened..

Not sure what you're saying. Would you eject the player for leaving the bench, like you would if a fight had started between two players on the court? I wouldn't. The player is protecting his coach from somebody that came out of the stands, meaning you don't know what the guy has on him or what his intentions may be.

Perhaps if all this occurred out of bounds and next to the fan, and the fan didn't go onto the court to confront the coach, I could see penalizing the player for pushing the fan. But in this case I'm definitely not penalizing him.

JetMetFan Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 926130)
Speaking of escalation, where was security? Game Management?

I know it's difficult to expect them to react quickly to in incident that happens quickly like this, but the guy was on the court for a while and THEN went all the way back to his seat before being escorted out. I would think someone should have reacted faster than that.......

PS - I heard on the radio this AM the FANatic was arrested, and rightly so.

Security was my first thought. Not only was he on the court for a while but it's not as though he came from a courtside seat. He ran down a whole bunch of steps in the stands, past the media table and 50 feet across a basketball court before meeting with any resistance. He's lucky the Hawai'i players didn't knock him out cold right where he stood.

letemplay Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 926141)
Not sure what you're saying. Would you eject the player for leaving the bench, like you would if a fight had started between two players on the court? I wouldn't. The player is protecting his coach from somebody that came out of the stands, meaning you don't know what the guy has on him or what his intentions may be.

Perhaps if all this occurred out of bounds and next to the fan, and the fan didn't go onto the court to confront the coach, I could see penalizing the player for pushing the fan. But in this case I'm definitely not penalizing him.

No, not suggesting (in my view anyway) he be handled like coming off bench in a fighting situation. Just wanted to point it out for discussion. Suppose it was an opposing player, rather than the fan, that approached this coach? Then it may be different?

JRutledge Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 926148)
Security was my first thought. Not only was he on the court for a while but it's not as though he came from a courtside seat. He ran down a whole bunch of steps in the stands, past the media table and 50 feet across a basketball court before meeting with any resistance. He's lucky the Hawai'i players didn't knock him out cold right where he stood.

And he went back to his seat. No one grabbed him or asked him to be removed. I cannot think of many places at that level where that would be OK. He might have gotten across the floor, but he would not have gotten off the floor without someone in his face or having him on the floor.

Peace

Bad Zebra Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 926148)
Security was my first thought. Not only was he on the court for a while but it's not as though he came from a courtside seat. He ran down a whole bunch of steps in the stands, past the media table and 50 feet across a basketball court before meeting with any resistance. He's lucky the Hawai'i players didn't knock him out cold right where he stood.

Just...Wow. It would have served him right if a player leveled him. Hopefully UCSB identified him and dealt with him severely...and Hopefully the NCAA comes down hard on UCSB for poor game management. Amazing how long he was on the court and walked off with no response from security or arena personnel.

JRutledge Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 926153)
Just...Wow. It would have served him right if a player leveled him. Hopefully UCSB identified him and dealt with him severely...and Hopefully the NCAA comes down hard on UCSB for poor game management. Amazing how long he was on the court and walked off with no response from security or arena personnel.

He was identified and arrested I believe (not sure about the arrest part). I know his is facing judicial issues with his school (he is a student) and he could possibly be suspended or expelled him from school. That was reported this morning.

Peace

AremRed Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:16pm

If someone could find the post game interview with the coach, it was pretty entertaining.

Security was a joke. The guy who escorted the kid out of the building had almost zero urgency. He let the kid chitchat with two or three different people before he finally got him out.

Welpe Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 926152)
And he went back to his seat. No one grabbed him or asked him to be removed. I cannot think of many places at that level where that would be OK. He might have gotten across the floor, but he would not have gotten off the floor without someone in his face or having him on the floor.

Peace

I went to another school in the Big West and worked quite a few of their basketball games in a marketing capacity. At these "smaller" schools, security seems to be more lax in being proactive and the numbers they have available. I can't recall seeing campus police at many if any of our basketball games and the majority of the event workers were usually other students.

There have been a few incidents lately at these smaller D1 schools that suggests that not only is this standard practice, but it needs to change and quickly.

Camron Rust Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:57pm

As far as I can see in the video, there were no fouls. Contact, yes, but not fouls. The defender jumped vertically and only hit the ball with his hands AFAICT.

T earned (even if there should have been a foul).

Fan was taken care of, just not shown in that video. A lot of schools just don't have regular issues with fans and don't really need 100 security personnel around the court. This is probably one of them. Some areas just need the cops/security around because they have regular issues.

bainsey Fri Mar 07, 2014 02:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 926111)
I am surprised the HC was not ejected.

He wasn't? Did I not see two technical fouls issued?

AremRed Fri Mar 07, 2014 02:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 926199)
He wasn't? Did I not see two technical fouls issued?

First one for the player reaction, second one for the coach. Box score reports 1 player technical, and one team technical.

Raymond Fri Mar 07, 2014 02:32pm

Venues need to be better prepared to handle these type of thugs.

justacoach Fri Mar 07, 2014 03:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 926202)
Venues need to be better prepared to handle these type of thugs.

BNR, I think you are being rather generous with the term 'thug'.

Wimp, wuss, whiner, beyotch, OK, but definitely nothing like a thug.

I'm pretty sure we both know the difference...

Rooster Fri Mar 07, 2014 03:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 926206)
BNR, I think you are being rather generous with the term 'thug'.

Wimp, wuss, whiner, beyotch, OK, but definitely nothing like a thug.

Wimp, wuss, whiner, beyotch, fratsie who combined ecstasy and beer-bonging.

Bad Zebra Fri Mar 07, 2014 04:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 926208)
Wimp, wuss, whiner, beyotch, fratsie who combined ecstasy and beer-bonging.

Interesting (and yet disturbingly specific) analysis of this kid.

Nevadaref Fri Mar 07, 2014 04:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 926166)
If someone could find the post game interview with the coach, it was pretty entertaining.

Security was a joke. The guy who escorted the kid out of the building had almost zero urgency. He let the kid chitchat with two or three different people before he finally got him out.

Hawaii Coach After Confrontation With Fan - ESPN Video - ESPN

Nevadaref Fri Mar 07, 2014 05:04pm

Article with more details on what happened to the student and what discipline he faces, plus the security situation in the building, and some quotes from the postgame interview with the Hawaii coach have been added.

Fan angrily confronts Hawaii coach

ESPN.com news services | March 7, 2014

A fan at Thursday night's UC Santa Barbara-Hawaii game ran onto the court during a stoppage in play and confronted the Warriors' coaching staff and players, the third time in a month that a college basketball spectator has come into violent contact with a player or coach.

The man, who wore a royal blue UCSB Class of 2014 T-shirt, was arrested after being quickly ushered off the court during the Gauchos' 86-77 Big West Conference win, which aired on ESPNU.

Hawaii's Gib Arnold said the incident was unlike anything he'd ever seen in his 22 years as a coach "and a lot of years of playing."

"It was a little crazy to have a fan pushing your players around," he said in a TV interview. "I've never seen it. You don't expect it."

Play was halted with UCSB ahead 30-16 with 6:02 left in the first half when Hawaii guard Brandon Spearman was called for an intentional foul and Arnold was arguing with referees.

As Arnold and an assistant came onto the court in the aftermath of the technical foul, the fan ran up and took an aggressive stance in Arnold's face.

Hawaii forward Christian Standhardinger then pushed the man away before teammate Garrett Nevels also shoved the fan, who gestured for the players to come after him as he backpedaled off the court.

"I was shocked," UCSB coach Bob Williams told ESPN on Friday. "Then I was mad. I immediately went to the officials and apologized to them. Gib was rather angry. He had to refocus on the game. I was appreciative that our guys tracked him down. Everybody was shocked. Nobody reacted. Kudos goes out to the Hawaii players that stepped out. I thought they handled it really well."

UCSB spokesman Bill Mahoney said the man, who the school believed was a student, was arrested by campus police. Mahoney, who did not identify the fan, said the man could face discipline, including being expelled if he is a student.

"Historically when things like this happen, the student, who was arrested, would go in front of Judicial Affairs, which is part of Student Affairs," Mahoney said in an email to ESPN. "The extent of his punishment would be speculation, but I would doubt it will be mild."

It was unclear how long the fan remained in the arena after the incident, but he was shown in replays continuing to gesture toward the court as he walked back through the stands.

"I'm so embarrassed by that kid," Williams said.

The incident came just a week after on-court violence involving fans and players resulted in the suspensions of two New Mexico State players. But Williams said Thursday's incident was different from that clash at Utah Valley, which occurred after fans rushed the court at the end of the game.

"This wasn't worse than the fight at New Mexico State and Utah Valley," he said. "Those kids were rushing the floor. This kid had no right to be on the floor. He was an idiot."

Williams said for a normal Gauchos game there are three security guards who walk the arena and there should be one at each of the aisles on the corners of the arena. He said there are normally eight security staffers at home games.

But the arena had recently been used as a storm shelter and was not under normal operation, Williams said. The Gauchos were not even in their normal locker room.

"There was disarray," he said. "They had a lot of stuff going on, and then this happened. It was a hectic type of day. Luckily no one got hurt."

Arnold said he isn't worried about these types of incidents becoming a trend.

"It doesn't concern me,'' he said. "It's rare. I hope security would be better. The guy was wasted and in a different world. It is what it is. You can't control crazies. That's why they're crazy."

Last Friday, New Mexico State's K.C. Ross-Miller was suspended two games and Renaldo Dixon one for their involvement in a postgame brawl between the Aggies and Utah Valley a day earlier. Fans had rushed the court after Utah Valley's win and some were shown in replays to be involved in violent exchanges with players.

Also last month, Oklahoma State's Marcus Smart was suspended three games for his involvement in an altercation with a fan late in a game at Texas Tech. Their confrontation came at the bottom of the stands behind one of the baskets.

Information from ESPN's Kara Lawson, ESPN.com senior writer Andy Katz and The Associated Press was used in this report.

Rooster Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 926211)
Interesting (and yet disturbingly specific) analysis of this kid.

Nope, don't know him, but I'm familiar with the likes of him. From the video it's clear to me that's not in his right head. He's got some wild eyes there. I can "understand," for lack of a better term, running out onto a baseball or football field trying to get some attention or fulfill some alcohol-induced dare. Most times it's innocuous and mischievous (and from my perspective, annoying). Someone runs out, with his or her camera going, trying to evade security, Eventually he or she runs out of steam, gets tackled, is escorted off the field. Everyone in the stands hoots and hollers. The video gets uploaded, and we move on. This was different. I've never seen anything like it, nor has Arnold, and I'll bet dollars to stale donuts no one here has. Frankly I'm concerned this won't be the last time we see it. Boundaries are eroding all around us and I hope those who recognize it put policies in place that have more than three security guards at a game. Sheesh!

Brad Sun Mar 09, 2014 03:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 926335)
I've never seen anything like it, nor has Arnold, and I'll bet dollars to stale donuts no one here has.

Happened in the Marquette vs Providence game back in Jan 2009 … Player’s brother came on the court to confront the refs

YouTube — Fan comes onto court during providence v.s marquette game

Raymond Sun Mar 09, 2014 03:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 926206)
BNR, I think you are being rather generous with the term 'thug'.

Wimp, wuss, whiner, beyotch, OK, but definitely nothing like a thug.

I'm pretty sure we both know the difference...

He's more of a thug than Richard Sherman. ;)

Rooster Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:31am

Brad:

Ack! Stale donuts on the way. But I still think this is different. This man was "defending" his "poor, defenseless" brother. There was a perceived lack of protection for a family member in the game. Fratsie was just out of it and to me his situation is more scary.

JRutledge Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 926387)
He's more of a thug than Richard Sherman. ;)

LOL!!! :D

Peace


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