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I took the advice of the group. I sent the following e-mail to:
Theresia D. Wynns Director of Sports and Officials Education National Federation of State High School Associations Subject: 4.19.8c Madam: Some associates and I have discussed this case which involves two officials making conflicting calls on a block charge play at great length and still have disagreement about when both fouls must be reported and when one may defer to the other. Also we are pondering the significance of the editorial change in the case this year changing "the official calls" to "the official rules." Your input would be greatly appreciated.
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I swear, Gus, you'd argue with a possum. It'd be easier than arguing with you, Woodrow. Lonesome Dove Last edited by just another ref; Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 08:03pm. |
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If anybody thinks this question was somehow not properly structured, now would be the time to say so. A follow up is always possible.
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I swear, Gus, you'd argue with a possum. It'd be easier than arguing with you, Woodrow. Lonesome Dove |
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They are probably going to tell you that you need to go to your state representative for a ruling or interpretation.That has been the modus operandi in the past of the National Federation.
Peace
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Her reply:
If there are double whistles, the two officials should get together and discuss what was seen and which may have come first. In fact when there are two whistles the officials should immediately hold the signal for the infraction and have the discussion. If one defers to the other then the signal is given and the official moves to the table to report. If they cannot come to an agreement, then they rule a double foul and both players will report (it does not matter who reports first). Ruling a double foul on a block/charge would not be the thing to do. Officials make rulings on the floor; therefore, the language should reflect that.
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Interesting cuz she never directly addresses what to do when conflicting signals are given before the refs get together, but then says this:
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I got this from our association.
In a the case of the double whistle as you have described.....the mechanic would be for the officials to confer and then report the foul they believed to have occurred first----just because two whistles were sounded would not demand that two fouls had to be reported... |
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I asked someone who is the editor of the NFHS books, which have absolutely nothing to do with NCAA men or women. DUH
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If she has taken Struckhoff's job, her opinion carries weight.
I'd love to see this be one of the clarifications issued at the beginning of next season. Till something's changed or announced more publicly, it really doesn't change anything. Not going to tilt at windmills. All these things are simply random choices by the people in charge at the time. Times change. Shrug. |
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It seems to me that she simply read the case and interpreted it literally, which is all that I have ever done. The question is when was anything announced publicly in the first place which stated anything else?
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"Here's what it says, so here is what you do. If your superiors tell you to do something else, do that." Exactly what I've always said.
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