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AremRed Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 925880)
Mark, you are only partially correct. The rule states the player running through the screen has to stop or attempt to stop. I am sure the people who wrote the rule realize there is no way the screened player can instantly stop once he makes contact. If the screen was legal, this should be considered incidental contact.
Can't we use the same ""to" versus "to and through" language to officiate this play?

I have a defensive foul for running through the (in my opinion) legal screen.

Raymond Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:14pm
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 925884)
Can't we use the same ""to" versus "to and through" language to officiate this play?

I have a defensive foul for running through the (in my opinion) legal screen.
Legal screen?

maroonx Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:46am
Anyone agree Bader's step back dribble behind the 3point arc is a travel violation?

ballgame99 Thu Mar 06, 2014 09:10am
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Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 925900)
Anyone agree Bader's step back dribble behind the 3point arc is a travel violation?
No, he still has his dribble when he takes the step back and gathers while airborne. Legal jump stop.

AremRed Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:27am
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Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 925900)
dribble
Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 925900)
travel violation
Just think about having both these phrases in the same sentence.

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 925885)
Legal screen?
Yes, that's what I wrote? You sound confused?

johnny d Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:30am
He and others would be confused because the screen was not legal.

AremRed Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:44am
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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 925954)
He and others would be confused because the screen was not legal.
It is close, but I think the screen is legal. I do not think the screener violated NCAA 4-34-3a or 4-34-3c.

Perhaps the defender should have been more aware of where he was going instead of being so focused on the ball.

maroonx Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:46am
He does not have a dribble. His dribble stopped. Picked up ball and stepped back. Feet did not land at the same time. Defense was good. defense put at disadvantage by allowing dribbler to violate.

Raymond Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 925962)
It is close, but I think the screen is legal. I do not think the screener violated NCAA 4-34-3a or 4-34-3c.

Perhaps the defender should have been more aware of where he was going instead of being so focused on the ball.
So you don't like the blind screen rule, so defenders shouldn't get protection from it?

AremRed Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 925974)
So you don't like the blind screen rule, so defenders shouldn't get protection from it?
Liking or disliking the rule has nothing to do with it. I will admit that the more I watch the video, the more it looks illegal.

Is it possible the Trail keeps holding his arm up hoping C could help out with this screen's legality?

Camron Rust Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 925900)
Anyone agree Bader's step back dribble behind the 3point arc is a travel violation?
Nope (assuming it is the play by #3 on the right end of the court on the far side that occurred shortly after the illegal screen part of the ciip).

I don't think he picked up the ball until after he jumped...allowing him to land on either or both feet.

ballgame99 Thu Mar 06, 2014 02:56pm
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Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 925964)
He does not have a dribble. His dribble stopped. Picked up ball and stepped back. Feet did not land at the same time. Defense was good. defense put at disadvantage by allowing dribbler to violate.
Your discription of the play is a travel, but that's not what happened. Look at it again.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Mar 06, 2014 04:04pm
Give a guy a break. My beloved Penguins lost and we are beating this play to death. :D

MTD, Sr.


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