Playoff brawl (Video)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Just because it could be doesn't mean it was. Neither you nor I have any idea if it really was or wasn't short of making assumptions not based in fact. If you're comfortable assuming conflicts between individuals of different races is based in racism, I feel very sorry for the life you live. I prefer to assume individuals of all races are innocent, honest, and meaning no ill will unless there is clear proof to the contrary.

And just because the AD or administrator says it was not the intention, does not mean there was not an intention. And based on other things said, I believe that was the motive.

I am also not assuming things, I know history and actions. Yes all of a sudden a "Safari theme?" OoooooooKaayyyyyyyy!!!!

Racism did not just all of a sudden go away because the President is not white. There are a lot of subtle things being said and done well outside of sports and you are not going to tell me that this was not the background.

I have been in enough situations where little subtle things are said or implied or suggested by the people that if you accuse them of something, they somehow "Well that is not what I meant" BS. And if you noticed it was more than the Gorilla suit, it was other comments stated by the players that were said to them. I do not expect anyone honestly who is not African-American to see the way many do that are African-American. BUt this is old hat for some of us and not a surprise that something like this happen. A lot of code wording used to make a point without thinking you will be found out. They were exposed and it would be better for the administrator to make sure it does not happen instead of making excuses.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And just because the AD or administrator says it was not the intention, does not mean there was not an intention. And based on other things said, I believe that was the motive.

I am also not assuming things, I know history and actions. Yes all of a sudden a "Safari theme?" OoooooooKaayyyyyyyy!!!!

Racism did not just all of a sudden go away because the President is not white. There are a lot of subtle things being said and done well outside of sports and you are not going to tell me that this was not the background.

I have been in enough situations where little subtle things are said or implied or suggested by the people that if you accuse them of something, they somehow "Well that is not what I meant" BS. And if you noticed it was more than the Gorilla suit, it was other comments stated by the players that were said to them. I do not expect anyone honestly who is not African-American to see the way many do that are African-American. BUt this is old hat for some of us and not a surprise that something like this happen. A lot of code wording used to make a point without thinking you will be found out. They were exposed and it would be better for the administrator to make sure it does not happen instead of making excuses.

Peace

You say you're not assuming things then go right on stating what you're assuming. Brilliant.

The most racist thing I've seen related to this incident is the assumption by some that whatever they did must have been racially motivated because they were white and other whites have done racist things in the past.

If the world were to use your standard, every person of any race would be a criminal if some people of that race committed a crime? Are you OK with that? Or isn't that really what you're trying to stop?

Again you must be miserable if you can only imagine that everything that could remotely be racial is racial and that everything that is said that you don't like must have racial overtones.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You say you're not assuming things then go right on stating what you're assuming. Brilliant.

The most racist thing I've seen related to this incident is the assumption by some that whatever they did must have been racially motivated because they were white and other whites have done racist things in the past.

If the world were to use your standard, every person of any race would be a criminal if some people of that race committed a crime? Are you OK with that?

Again you must be miserable if you can only imagine that everything that could remotely be racial is racial and that everything that is said that you don't like must have racial overtones.

This is not about my standard. I have enough life experiences to know when people did not think fondly of you because of what race you are. I am sure I have been to more situations than many here where they were the "only one of their race" or you are not like the majority of the crowd or people in the building. I said this years ago, most African-Americans could go out of their way and avoid a lot of other African-Americans on a daily basis. It would be almost impossible to go to a place where there were no Caucasians. My point is many times I have been in situations where it is clear my or other's presence stands out, just as an official alone. It is very easy to pick up on when you are not wanted or people stereotype you for all kinds of things. Thinks like assume you know certain people. Thinks like assume you live in certain places. Assume you have all kinds of background experiences. And it is not unusual to have people say things with all those things in mind.

And most of all I am not asking for your approval of my position Camron. I really could give a damn if you see this my way or not. I feel that in this situation where sports and communities are different, that people know damn well what they are trying to say to people from those very different communities. Not saying everyone was involved, but you will not convince me that a few of them knew what they were saying or what message they wanted to get across to this team. Seen it enough and see it all the time where I live. We have a very diverse state and there are a lot of rural communities that do not have a lot of diversity and the minute they come to a place where there are more mixture, it is not uncommon to have problems or see an underlining feeling from certain groups of people (either way). And the 2A State Championship here had a lot of that in the crowd, on the message boards, with people that were at that game or not at that game.

Peace

[just another ref]

Once upon a time here, didn't the originator of a thread have the option of locking it?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Once upon a time here, didn't the originator of a thread have the option of locking it?

Delete, yes. Lock, no.