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Old Sat Feb 22, 2014, 11:38pm
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NCAA-M as of this year it is when the upward motion of the shooter has started.
But how do you define upward motion?
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Old Sat Feb 22, 2014, 11:42pm
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But how do you define upward motion?
How about according to the rule?

NCAA 4-17-4-d: "When the opponent with the ball is airborne, the guard shall have attained legal guarding position before the opponent begins his upward motion with his hands/arms to shoot or pass."

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Boeheim has to go to Kim Mulkey's Summer Camp and learn how to remove his jacket.
Hopefully he doesn't show up next year wearing spaghetti straps too!
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From the first time I saw the play it was a charge and a player control foul. A great call.

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Boeheim's comments about the call being the "worst" call just shows how ignorant of the rules he is. I hope that either the ACC or the NCAA suspends him for at least two games for his actions on the court.

Boeheim has always been a whinner.

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And I grew up watching college b-ball with Dickie V as an announcer. I may be one of the few that still enjoys him but his commentary at the end about officials having to let coaches react was ludicrous.

Fortunately, Bilas set him straight.
So I guess Boeheim would've had to beat down one of the officials for Vitale to consider a T.
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From the first time I saw the play it was a charge and a player control foul. A great call.

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You are the final word on this board as to the block/charge, so am I being nitpicky with the slight hop toward the endline and toward the shooter after he gains LGP?

In APG's post look at :40 of the video. That's where I see LGP being established then there is a slight move toward the shooter. In the next replay from behind the basket you can also see the slight adjustment that looks like it is forward and slightly toward the endline.

I suppose I'm probably splitting hairs.

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You are the final word on this board as to the block/charge, so am I being nitpicky with the slight hop toward the endline and toward the shooter after he gains LGP?

In APG's post look at :40 of the video. That's where I see LGP being established then there is a slight move toward the shooter. In the next replay from behind the basket you can also see the slight adjustment that looks like it is forward and slightly toward the endline.

I suppose I'm probably splitting hairs.
I see what you are talking about. I think that is just the player straightening his legs and standing taller. I do not see the player moving forward in any way that would lose LGP (assuming he had it before upward motion).
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I saw the step you're talking about, too; in my area we call that a firm-up. I don't think he gives up LGP there. IMO this is a charge, but it's a tight one.

The situation after the foul call was handled with remarkable calmness and aplomb by the crew. Well done.
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Old Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:15am
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Boeheim's comments about the call being the "worst" call just shows how ignorant of the rules he is. I hope that either the ACC or the NCAA suspends him for at least two games for his actions on the court.

Boeheim has always been a whinner.

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Um, Boeheim knows the rule, virtually quoted the rule in his post-game press conference, and based on how the rule has been interpreted/implemented this season....he is correct in saying that play has been called a block throughout the season.

You can say he's a whiner (so is Coach K; so is Coach Izzo; so is Coach Cal; etc), but you CAN'T say he is "ignorant" or the rules.
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Old Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:16am
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Uh those are both charges all day every day.
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Old Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:58am
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Uh those are both charges all day every day.
I agree. I thought they were both PC.
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I agree. I thought they were both PC.
Yep...both PC's with then 2nd one being the more obvious one of the two in my mind. The first one was close.
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From the first time I saw the play it was a charge and a player control foul. A great call.

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Me too...all day every day and 100% of the time.

Coach Boeheim deserved the 2 T's he got, there is no way around that when you run out on the floor acting like a first class jackass such as he did in this case....

No issues at all from me with this call, or this ejection.
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Old Sun Feb 23, 2014, 06:21am
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Play with the score tied at 41 = obvious PC.
Play with ten seconds left = PC, but close and tough while rotating.
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Both charges in my view under the new rule, old rule, whatever.
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