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Stillblind Fri Feb 21, 2014 09:18am

Whistle or not
 
Officials Manual pg 21 says to sound whistle when play is about to begin only following a charged time out an intermission or an unusual delay. Do any areas regularly sound whistle following a substitution?

Terrapins Fan Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:05am

Sometimes, based on how long the substitution has taken.

Rob1968 Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:13am

I've been doing a lot of games with 1st and 2nd year officials this year, as we have quite a few new members in our assn. Our Assignor asked me to help with the on-court mentoring, by taking more Soph/JV games, to work with them. Last week, my partner, a 1st year official, was blowing his whistle every time he had a throw-in. I mentioned it to him at halftime, but he still couldn't break the habit.
When I told him that the NBA does that, and they have their reason(s), he was finally able to overcome the tendency.

HokiePaul Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:21am

Not regularly. Most of the time it's, player in; player out; glance at partner(s); administer the throw in.

Rich Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:32am

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Originally Posted by Stillblind (Post 923966)
Officials Manual pg 21 says to sound whistle when play is about to begin only following a charged time out an intermission or an unusual delay. Do any areas regularly sound whistle following a substitution?

We whistle in every sub.

Adam Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:30am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 923982)
We whistle in every sub.

You whistle them in, but do you whistle again to resume play?

Rich Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:40am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 923995)
You whistle them in, but do you whistle again to resume play?

Oh.

No, not unless there's an appreciable delay.

There's little consistency in this area on endline frontcourt throw-ins, though. Some whistle, some don't. It was downright bizarre when one of my partners over Christmas whistled and the head coach told him that it wasn't a proper mechanic and to please stop it because it throws off his players. I stayed out of that one.

Nevadaref Fri Feb 21, 2014 06:35pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 924000)
Oh.

No, not unless there's an appreciable delay.

There's little consistency in this area on endline frontcourt throw-ins, though. Some whistle, some don't. It was downright bizarre when one of my partners over Christmas whistled and the head coach told him that it wasn't a proper mechanic and to please stop it because it throws off his players. I stayed out of that one.

Amusingly, the coach is correct for NFHS.

AremRed Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:57pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 924000)
it throws off his players

Uh, what?

Rich Sat Feb 22, 2014 01:43am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 924083)
Amusingly, the coach is correct for NFHS.

I know, but claiming it throws off his players was utter nonsense. I found out later this coach was also a varsity-level official before he became a coach and he does stuff like this to try to work officials.

Same guy told me he'd send me the film after the FIRST foul we called, BTW. Good times.

Adam Sat Feb 22, 2014 02:02am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 924000)
Oh.

No, not unless there's an appreciable delay.

There's little consistency in this area on endline frontcourt throw-ins, though. Some whistle, some don't. It was downright bizarre when one of my partners over Christmas whistled and the head coach told him that it wasn't a proper mechanic and to please stop it because it throws off his players. I stayed out of that one.

Why would you whistle there?

BryanV21 Sat Feb 22, 2014 07:18am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 924124)
...Same guy told me he'd send me the film after the FIRST foul we called, BTW. Good times.

Sounds like grounds for a T. Not sure that I would, but I believe I read from somebody around here that they'd whack a coach for talking about doing something like this.

bob jenkins Sat Feb 22, 2014 08:54am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 924125)
Why would you whistle there?

It's an NCAAW mechanic. SO, some do it in HS. It can be a signal to tell the T to raise his/her hand for the throw-in.

bob jenkins Sat Feb 22, 2014 08:55am

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 924138)
Sounds like grounds for a T. Not sure that I would, but I believe I read from somebody around here that they'd whack a coach for talking about doing something like this.

I hear lots of things from "somebody around here" that I wouldn't do.

A T in this instance is way over the top, imo.

BillyMac Sat Feb 22, 2014 01:24pm

Stop and Go ...
 
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 924000)
It throws off his players.

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 924104)
Uh, what?

Easy to see how. When I'm supposed to sound my whistle, i.e., after a timeout, sometimes some of the offensive players will start their inbounds play, setting screens, V-cuts, etc. on the whistle, while others will wait for the inbounder to say, "Go", slap the ball, etc. That half second lag time can screw up a good inbounds play, but that's the fault of the players, and coaching staff, not the officials.


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