Wanted to give a T

[Rich]

Originally Posted by stripes

I would also remind the coach that he has 5 players on the court who can request a TO AND who are used to listening for his voice. Any of the players can get right in front of you and request the TO. This is especially pertinent in a loud gym.

While I agree that you should be situationally aware, requesting a TO is on him.

No offense, but this attitude / mindset just doesn't cut it. With the rules as they are and with the expectation that top officials be situationally aware, it's ON US to be aware and expecting a request. No excuses.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by Rich

No offense, but this attitude / mindset just doesn't cut it. With the rules as they are and with the expectation that top officials be situationally aware, it's ON US to be aware and expecting a request. No excuses.

I disagree. We should be aware of situations where a coach might want a TO, but it is the coach's responsibility to get our attention if they want a TO. Not the other way around.

I have had plenty of games that were so loud you could not hear anyone and I have had plenty of players run up to me at the coach's request to get a TO. It works out fine. Coaches understand the realities of the game and will do what they can to get what they want.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by stripes

I disagree. We should be aware of situations where a coach might want a TO, but it is the coach's responsibility to get our attention if they want a TO. Not the other way around.

I have had plenty of games that were so loud you could not hear anyone and I have had plenty of players run up to me at the coach's request to get a TO. It works out fine. Coaches understand the realities of the game and will do what they can to get what they want.

Disagree all you want, but when you miss that timeout the first question will revolve around YOUR situational awareness.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Disagree all you want, but when you miss that timeout the first question will revolve around YOUR situational awareness.

Agreed. I'll add, though, that if you're looking at the coach and he's got his hands in his pockets and quietly saying something you can't hear, it's on him.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Agreed. I'll add, though, that if you're looking at the coach and he's got his hands in his pockets and quietly saying something you can't hear, it's on him.

Or even loudly saying something in a lout gym.

A couple weeks ago, I had such a game where the coach had his hands to his side and was yelling something in my general direction. With the noise in the gym, it was not possible to hear anything he said. It was the right time for a timeout but it was also possible he was yelling at his player for what they were doing.

The noise died down and then I could tell he was yelling timeout.

A visual to go with the verbal would be a good idea for any coach wanting to get a timeout when the official is not near them.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Rich

Disagree all you want, but when you miss that timeout the first question will revolve around YOUR situational awareness.

Or around the crew's situational awareness...this is very rarely on just one of the officials. It's the crew, imho.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Or around the crew's situational awareness...this is very rarely on just one of the officials. It's the crew, imho.

Agree. Consider my "your" all-inclusive.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by Rich

Disagree all you want, but when you miss that timeout the first question will revolve around YOUR situational awareness.

Once again I disagree. The conversation will revolve around HIM getting the TO request communicated--that is his job.

10 days ago, rival teams +/-3000 fans, 2 pt game, 2+1 for H team to tie (and maybe go up), I am L (admin FT) and V coach is SCREAMING at the T (calling his name only), no one on the crew (including the T who was closest to the coach) knew he wanted a TO because all he yelled was the official's name. I see him yelling my partners name, but don't know he wants a TO and that is MY fault? I don't buy it. Make a TO signal, get a player, something (anything) that lets me know he wants a TO and he could have it. I looked right at him as he yells "name!, name!, name!" I don't know if he is mad about the call, wants the TO or what. I am not and will not be a mind reader.

I completely agree about situational awareness and giving TOs in places where coaches generally want them, but at the end of the day it is their job to get our attention, not the other way around.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by stripes

Once again I disagree. The conversation will revolve around HIM getting the TO request communicated--that is his job.

10 days ago, rival teams +/-3000 fans, 2 pt game, 2+1 for H team to tie (and maybe go up), I am L (admin FT) and V coach is SCREAMING at the T (calling his name only), no one on the crew (including the T who was closest to the coach) knew he wanted a TO because all he yelled was the official's name. I see him yelling my partners name, but don't know he wants a TO and that is MY fault? I don't buy it. Make a TO signal, get a player, something (anything) that lets me know he wants a TO and he could have it. I looked right at him as he yells "name!, name!, name!" I don't know if he is mad about the call, wants the TO or what. I am not and will not be a mind reader.
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Prior to a free throw is not a critical time to be looking for T-O call. After the free throw or a made basket is what is being discussed for situational awareness purposes. And you know at a certain level, and in camps, we are expected to be looking for those time-outs.