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Kick and punch thrown in Iowa State Vs. West Virginia basketball game - YouTube

Perfect example of how a game can turn into shit in a instant...

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I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

1) Immediate FF2 on W10.

2) Video review should lead to FF2 on R22 for the kick.

3) Supervisor needs to find out why there was no whistle for that kick. The Lead is looking right at it, and the C most definitely should have saw it also.

What did they end up ruling?

Clearly a Flagrant 2 on the shot attempt.

I can see why a foul was not called on the rebound before, but a foul would have been very appropriate here.

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I thought the title of this article was hilarious given how the fouls happened.

The ruling was a FF1 for the kick and an FF2 for the hit to the head.

Sorry...but I cannot see how a foul was NOT called on the rebound. It is clear that there was a kick to the abdomen. That is what one camp evaluator I had would call a "Grandma call"...the 95 year old grandma sitting in the top row of the gym knows that is a foul. A player is not entitled to go up vertically then kick his/her legs out horizontally to the floor and contact another player.

Getting the foul on the rebound would have stopped everything else.

Interesting.

I'm speaking HS here but I'd have a flagrant on both plays. That kick was intentional and completely unnecessary.

On the Kick:
T looks to be straightlined.
C should have had a look at it, but he doesn't have the best angle either.
L could've had a crew-saver if he had called it, but I don't think he was looking in that direction.

The rebound and kick reminds me of this play:

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I gotta say it... What about the missed travel on R22?

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I got FF2 on both of them. Kick was unnecessary and extreme, and the swing was obviously warranting an ejection.

I don't see any bad intentions in the OP kick. His foot got higher than it should have, his momentum carried him into the defender and made contact and got caught in the jersey and should have been called a foul, but he doesn't seem to really 'kick' the guy and the contact is low. I don't see a FF1 or intentional. The punch on the shooter is an easy FF2. You are winning by 30, why on Earth are you punching a shooter?

Because his teammate just got kicked in the chest and nothing was done about it.

Good point. :o

Since when do intentions come into play? Rarely does a player "intend" to commit a foul...it happens, but most are just normally occuring during the course of play.

Since I cannot possibly know the intentions of a player I can only make a decision based on what I see...and I see a flagrant foul on the rebounding kick. I also don't consider contacting a player above the waist with the sole of your foot to be "low contact".

I also do not care about the momentum of a player. Suppose A1 is running down the floor full speed toward B1 who clearly has LGP standing (NOT MOVING) half way between the FT line and the basket. A1 leaps into the air and releases a finger roll attempt then plows into B1. Are you going to ignore the contact? Clearly the momentum of A1 carried him through the air and into the stationary B1.

make the first call and the second never happens.

Agreed.

Naturally. The kick is a big miss, imho.

I would say "intentions" come into play when you are calling an "intentional" foul typically. Now I realize an NCAA FF1 is different to an NFHS intentional, so you are probably right as it relates to an NCAA FF1. I'm honestly not aware what all that rule covers. Maybe intentions is a bad term, I'm saying it wasn't reckless, but was just a consequence of a hustle play gone wrong. Whether I should consider that or not may be a good question. The officials here went to replay and called it a FF1, so I'm probably wrong. That's just what I see.

And I'm not saying the momentum excuses the foul at all. In fact I clearly said it was a foul. I'm just saying his momentum took his foot where it wasn't supposed to go vs. him kicking someone. Again I was getting more to the intention aspect of it all. In a HS game do I have rules justification to call that an "intentional" foul? I don't know, I'm asking.

The reason the NCAA went to flagrant 1/2 terminology was precisely because people think that intentional fouls always require intent. That is simply not the case. You can intend to make a basketball play, but in doing so cause excessive contact and still commit an intentional foul.

In HS, at a minimum I'm calling it an intentional for excessive contact.

Same for me on both levels regarding excessive contact. Once I get the IF/F1 out of the way I'm talking with my partners about whether the kick should be an F/F2 and in the NCAA game if there's a monitor we're taking a look.

As has been said, if the kick is called the second call probably doesn't have to be made.