Fumble or not?

[jeremy341a]

Last night in the JV game that preceded the varsity it happened on the second trip. I am the T right in front of the Coach. A player in the high post just above the free throw line is passed the ball and fumbles. I hear the Coach yell "Dead". Player dribbles the ball and coach says "that's a travel". He then corrects himself and says "I mean double dribble." I say that is just a fumble and not a dribble. He thought I was crazy.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Last night in the JV game that preceded the varsity it happened on the second trip. I am the T right in front of the Coach. A player in the high post just above the free throw line is passed the ball and fumbles. I hear the Coach yell "Dead". Player dribbles the ball and coach says "that's a travel". He then corrects himself and says "I mean double dribble." I say that is just a fumble and not a dribble. He thought I was crazy.

Muff dribble muff = legal
Dribble muff dribble = illegal

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Last night in the JV game that preceded the varsity it happened on the second trip. I am the T right in front of the Coach. A player in the high post just above the free throw line is passed the ball and fumbles. I hear the Coach yell "Dead". Player dribbles the ball and coach says "that's a travel". He then corrects himself and says "I mean double dribble." I say that is just a fumble and not a dribble. He thought I was crazy.

Isn't sad when Coaches YELL at us when we know what we are doing?

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Isn't sad when Coaches YELL at us when we know what we are doing?

yep, as soon as the Coach yelled dead i though oh boy here it comes.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Isn't sad when Coaches YELL at us when we know what we are doing?

I just think to myself:

1) I'm standing right here looking at the play, and I didn't blow my whistle. Do you really think I'm that incompetent?

2) You've seen officials not blow the whistle many times on this play, when are you going to get a clue that this is not a violation?

[letemplay]

I think it gets tricky for fans, coaches, and just admit, some officials too, when the pass to a player is muffed, and it appears he/she might dribble it in the process of recovery. Does the player actually dribble (by definition) here to regain control or are they actually just re-fumbling/muffing it? That can be a tough one sometimes I think.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I just think to myself:

1) I'm standing right here looking at the play, and I didn't blow my whistle. Do you really think I'm that incompetent?

2) You've seen officials not blow the whistle many times on this play, when are you going to get a clue that this is not a violation?

The problem is they've seen officials blow the whistle on this play too. I had this discussion pregame with my partner the other night. I think I will continue to do so. Especially any middle school assignments since there are 8 of these per quarter.

[Mregor]

Anyone can always recover a fumble. What you can do after they recover is what changes.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Anyone can always recover a fumble. What you can do after they recover is what changes.

The fumble doesn't change anything. Whatever you could do before, you can still do.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Anyone can always recover a fumble. What you can do after they recover is what changes.

Correct. One can legally fumble, recover, fumble, recover, fumble, recover, fumble, recover, fumble, recover, ...