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deecee Fri Feb 07, 2014 04:25pm
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Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 921770)
I am in the same boat as you...District quaterfinal the other night, 3 man crew. L hands the ball to A1 for a backcourt endline throw in, I am in T. C (table side) calls a push on A2, reports the foul and points to the endline for a throw in by B...now in their frontcourt. L (who is R in this game) tells the players to line up for double bonus and I hear him tell C "there is no team control during a throw in so we are shooting" C emphatically responds with a "right, right...line 'em up boys" I just stood by because clearly they had their mind made up.

After the game I brought it up and both were argued with me...exactly as I figured they would and hence the reason I didn't bother during the game.:(
I would inform them my "opinion" so when the assignor asks WTF happened the story is that I would have been out voted 2-1. But I would at least offer the information.

deecee Fri Feb 07, 2014 04:26pm
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Originally Posted by Treeguy (Post 921664)
I had a similar situation Tuesday. No one knew the rule so no one complained. At half time, I told my partner he got it wrong as there was no team control yet. If the offending coach complained, I may have gone up to my partner and tell him what I saw and have him make the decision to change his call.
And I don't get the sentiment for WHEN you would offer more information. Why would the protests of a coach "force" you into a different course of action.

egj13 Fri Feb 07, 2014 04:29pm
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 921773)
Uh. I would do my absolute best to fix that one. In any game. At any level. Let alone a playoff game.
I suppose you would have to know the other two...especially being my first year in the association and these two being "old pros"...they weren't buying what I was selling.

In the game before this one there was a kid in tights...I went to correct him and have him take them off and as I am talking to the kid the R tape me on the shoulder and pulls me off to the side.

R--"what you doing?"
Me--" I am telling him he can't wear tights"
R--"Since when? He can wear them as long as they are all the same color"
Me--"tights can't extend below the knee"
R--"I disagree...he is good to go"

See where I am going with this?

APG Fri Feb 07, 2014 04:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 921770)
I am in the same boat as you...District quaterfinal the other night, 3 man crew. L hands the ball to A1 for a backcourt endline throw in, I am in T. C (table side) calls a push on A2, reports the foul and points to the endline for a throw in by B...now in their frontcourt. L (who is R in this game) tells the players to line up for double bonus and I hear him tell C "there is no team control during a throw in so we are shooting" C emphatically responds with a "right, right...line 'em up boys" I just stood by because clearly they had their mind made up.

After the game I brought it up and both were argued with me...exactly as I figured they would and hence the reason I didn't bother during the game.:(
Where is your rule book in all this? Hard to argue when the rule book explicitly states that there's team control during a throw-in

And in your situation, I'm going to give my two cents in. If/when the assignor gets word of this, the assignor can't ask why you didn't try to do anything when you knew they kicked the rule.

egj13 Fri Feb 07, 2014 04:31pm
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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 921776)
I would inform them my "opinion" so when the assignor asks WTF happened the story is that I would have been out voted 2-1. But I would at least offer the information.
The "R" that stated there is no team control = assignor for our association

deecee Fri Feb 07, 2014 04:33pm
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Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 921783)
The "R" that stated there is no team control = assignor for our association
Well then unless someone above him makes a big deal about it, it is what it is. Move along.

Corndog89 Fri Feb 07, 2014 06:02pm
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Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 921770)
I am in the same boat as you...District quaterfinal the other night, 3 man crew. L hands the ball to A1 for a backcourt endline throw in, I am in T. C (table side) calls a push on A2, reports the foul and points to the endline for a throw in by B...now in their frontcourt. L (who is R in this game) tells the players to line up for double bonus and I hear him tell C "there is no team control during a throw in so we are shooting" C emphatically responds with a "right, right...line 'em up boys" I just stood by because clearly they had their mind made up.

After the game I brought it up and both were argued with me...exactly as I figured they would and hence the reason I didn't bother during the game.:(
Wasn't the reason for changing the rule to team control during a throw-in to prevent the defense from taking foul shots? Unless I'm mistaken, this situation was the very reason the rules makers changed throw-ins to team control.

stick Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by rsl (Post 921638)
If you are the only one in the gym who knows the rule, are you still right? Yes, but you still look like an idiot!

A1 shoots a three pointer and the miss takes a very long bounce. A2 touches (but does not control) the ball just before it bounces into the backcourt. Now, A1, A2, and A3 surround the ball in the backcourt but don't dare touch it, fearing a backcourt call. As B1 approaches, A2 grabs the ball and my partner calls a backcourt violation.

I huddled with my partner and reminded him that there is no team control on a rebound. We (well, mostly I) called an inadvertant whistle and gave the ball back to A, as A2 controlled the ball when the whistle blew and that is POI.

Was I correct?

Both teams, the crowd, the table, and my partner were all looking confused and wondering what the crazy ref was doing. It may been better just to go with the flow, especially if you tell me I was wrong.
There is no violation in your scenario but it was probably a good thing you went with the flow. It might be good to discuss it after the game but to have officials look conflicting toward each other during a game is not good. I had a similar play just last night. Im the trail. Team A has a throw in under the basket their shooting at. A1 throws it out toward half court. A2 tried to catch it but it tipped off his hand into the backcourt. A3 runs back and surrounds the ball--fearing an over and back violation. B1 comes charging toward the ball when A3 picks the ball up. I have nothing. With about 200 fans and all of team B screaming for an over and back play went on.

Raymond Sat Feb 08, 2014 01:45pm
Thanks for jinxing me fellas

Sharpshooternes Sat Feb 08, 2014 05:24pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 921876)
Thanks for jinxing me fellas
Did you have an experience or do you predict you will have one since reading this thread?

Nevadaref Sat Feb 08, 2014 06:02pm
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Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 921783)
The "R" that stated there is no team control = assignor for our association
No win situation.
All that you do by telling him (or even proving to him with the rules book) that he is wrong is tick him off.
Guys like this aren't open to being corrected.

Raymond Sat Feb 08, 2014 08:26pm
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 921893)
Did you have an experience or do you predict you will have one since reading this thread?
partner who called one after offense tipped rebound into back court.

loners4me Tue Feb 11, 2014 09:09pm
Can someone provide the case play for the original scenario?

Adam Tue Feb 11, 2014 09:37pm
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Originally Posted by loners4me (Post 922384)
Can someone provide the case play for the original scenario?
The rule should be sufficient. BC rule along with team control rule.


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