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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:10pm
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Why not just say, "Hold your spots."? That should have stopped them in their tracks. I've heard many other officials say that. I don't know why they say it, they just do. Kind of like saying, "Let it hit the rim", before a free throw.
Jump Ball- What if you say "Hold your spots" and they legally move? Do you call a violation?
Free Throw- What if you say "Don't move until it hits" and they move into the paint area. Or move backwards behind another player? Do you call a violation?

That is why you do not tell them to '"Hold your spots" on a Jump ball.
HokiePaul has a better phrase, "Pick a spot".
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:17pm
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I don't say anything. I blow the whistle, step in, and toss the ball after I spit my whistle out.
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:39pm
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I don't say anything. I blow the whistle, step in, and toss the ball after I spit my whistle out.
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Old Fri Feb 07, 2014, 10:11am
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This is a tricky one. I believe the no call is correct because in the case study books it states a player can more around the cirlce when more they are at least 3 feet away from the center circle. The coach read the casebook and applied the loop hole...we will probably see this disconnect corrected in future rule books because this is clearly a distraction and a potential safty hazard to everyone on the floor. Wow...good one! Thanks
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Old Fri Feb 07, 2014, 10:58am
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This is a tricky one. I believe the no call is correct because in the case study books it states a player can more around the cirlce when more they are at least 3 feet away from the center circle. The coach read the casebook and applied the loop hole...we will probably see this disconnect corrected in future rule books because this is clearly a distraction and a potential safty hazard to everyone on the floor. Wow...good one! Thanks
Why? They didn't violate any rule. Who cares what they do before/during the jump?

It would be a solution in search of a problem.
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Old Fri Feb 07, 2014, 11:09am
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This is a tricky one. I believe the no call is correct because in the case study books it states a player can more around the cirlce when more they are at least 3 feet away from the center circle. The coach read the casebook and applied the loop hole...we will probably see this disconnect corrected in future rule books because this is clearly a distraction and a potential safty hazard to everyone on the floor. Wow...good one! Thanks
It's not:
1) a loophole
2) a safety hazard

It might be distracting, but it shouldn't be and isn't illegal just because it is.

Teams run a similar play during action and during throw-ins. They have never been discussed (afaik) as being removed from the game.
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Old Fri Feb 07, 2014, 12:31pm
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It's not:
1) a loophole
2) a safety hazard

It might be distracting, but it shouldn't be and isn't illegal just because it is.

Teams run a similar play during action and during throw-ins. They have never been discussed (afaik) as being removed from the game.
If it were, they'd have to outlaw motion offenses too.
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Old Sat Feb 08, 2014, 03:13am
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I always designate one-syllable colors at the jump and I prefer that the R do it when I don't toss. It is a short confirmation of the colors we are calling and affirming the "call" colors when we start sets them in my addled brain and helps make the nomenclature of the day automatic and the OOB and backcourt calls crisp. But then, I've always considered multi-tasking to be a fad.
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Old Sat Feb 08, 2014, 01:04pm
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This is a tricky one. I believe the no call is correct because in the case study books it states a player can more around the cirlce when more they are at least 3 feet away from the center circle. The coach read the casebook and applied the loop hole...we will probably see this disconnect corrected in future rule books because this is clearly a distraction and a potential safty hazard to everyone on the floor. Wow...good one! Thanks
Loop hole? A loop hole would imply that there is an unintended, unforeseen aspect in the rule that was not thought about. As far a safety hazard, how is this any more of a safety hazard then at any other time when players are constantly in motion?
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:28pm
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Free Throw- What if you say "Don't move until it hits" and they move into the paint area. Or move backwards behind another player? Do you call a violation?
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:34pm
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:32pm
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Jump Ball- What if you say "Hold your spots" and they legally move? Do you call a violation? Free Throw- What if you say "Don't move until it hits" and they move into the paint area. Or move backwards behind another player? Do you call a violation?
I was being sarcastic. We have guys who say things like this, and worse.
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 06:38pm
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I was being sarcastic. We have guys who say things like this, and worse.
Sorry, I didn't pick up that you were sarcastic.
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 06:43pm
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I was being sarcastic. We have guys who say things like this, and worse.

Boy I am glad you admitted to that because you had be almost have a heart attack.

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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 07:16pm
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Sorry, I didn't pick up that you were sarcastic.
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Boy I am glad you admitted to that because you had be almost have a heart attack.
Maybe I should Skype my posts so that you could hear the tone of my voice, and see my facial expression. I don't do smilies, and good Forum members don't use the blue font method.
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