Flop on a PC foul (Video Added)

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

A player can oversell himself right out of a call, though. It happens.

Huh? If there's a problem with the overselling, then let the player and/or coach know. But if there was a foul, how can you not call it? At least if you KNOW there was a foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Huh? If there's a problem with the overselling, then let the player and/or coach know. But if there was a foul, how can you not call it? At least if you KNOW there was a foul.

I think what Rich is saying is that sometimes a player sells it to the point where it becomes questionable about whether there was a foul. In that case, I tend to go with a no-call.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think what Rich is saying is that sometimes a player sells it to the point where it becomes questionable about whether there was a foul. In that case, I tend to go with a no-call.

Gotcha. For some reason I read it as if he would penalize the player for overselling by NOT making the call.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think what Rich is saying is that sometimes a player sells it to the point where it becomes questionable about whether there was a foul. In that case, I tend to go with a no-call.

Hmmm after seeing APGs video, I'm almost inclined to go with this ^.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Hmmm after seeing APGs video, I'm almost inclined to go with this ^.

Yup.

The L was so wide I don't think he had the best look possible at this.

[Rob1968]

APG, thanks for getting the video up. I still can't see anything worthy of a PC foul. Parker's arm found the defender's arm, and then the defender threw his arms up and his head back. To me, it doesn't add up to a PC foul.

[Toren]

Travel

Then no call. But I can see why the Lead called the PC...from his angle, looks like offensive player lead with elbow.

[just another ref]

I saw the play earlier and was okay with the call, but watching the whole thing from different angles and with slow motion, a no call would have been okay with me, but then you'd have to call the travel, and I'm the only one that would do that.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Toren

Travel

This....

Then no call. But I can see why the Lead called the PC...from his angle, looks like offensive player lead with elbow.

The guys doing these games are all excellent officials. Maybe some of the college guys can comment on this better. It seems like officials are choosing to pass on this call more often than them just missing it.

1. Players athletic ability is such that it is hard to be 100% sure it was a travel.

2. Officiating this level of play it is more acceptable to miss a travel, than a foul.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Huh? If there's a problem with the overselling, then let the player and/or coach know. But if there was a foul, how can you not call it? At least if you KNOW there was a foul.

Read Adam's post.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Huh? If there's a problem with the overselling, then let the player and/or coach know. But if there was a foul, how can you not call it? At least if you KNOW there was a foul.

If you have to oversell what is a foul, when the contact is minimal, the official might just not call the foul.

I had a situation yesterday where a player was shooting a 3 point shot and kicked out his leg and acted like he was killed. Well his actions made me pass on the foul. Fortunately for him, my partner decide this was a foul. But without seeing the tape, I still think there was minimal contact. Often that overselling makes us think they flopped or were not fouled. That is why they can "oversell" themselves right out of a call.

Peace