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kung Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:17pm

Watching a mistake being made
 
I have a situation that I would like some feedback on. My partner & I were waiting for the Freshmen Boys game to end by standing in the doorway to the gym. It was very crowded and there was a lot of people between us and the court. The game went into to OT, so we stood there to watch the other officials. When the ball went up for the OT tip, we realized that the officials had switched the direction of the players for the OT. (We all should know that the OT is an extension of the 4th Q and the teams should shoot at the same basket in OT as they did in the 4th Q). One of the school administrators came up to us and said, "Aren't they shooting at the wrong baskets", which we acknowledged as true.

If the situation would have been different and we could have gotten the attention of the officials as they were lining up for the tip, should we have stepped in to correct this. Should we have said something after the first dead ball?

JugglingReferee Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by kung (Post 919945)
I have a situation that I would like some feedback on. My partner & I were waiting for the Freshmen Boys game to end by standing in the doorway to the gym. It was very crowded and there was a lot of people between us and the court. The game went into to OT, so we stood there to watch the other officials. When the ball went up for the OT tip, we realized that the officials had switched the direction of the players for the OT. (We all should know that the OT is an extension of the 4th Q and the teams should shoot at the same basket in OT as they did in the 4th Q). One of the school administrators came up to us and said, "Aren't they shooting at the wrong baskets", which we acknowledged as true.

If the situation would have been different and we could have gotten the attention of the officials as they were lining up for the tip, should we have stepped in to correct this. Should we have said something after the first dead ball?

I don't believe you should do this, unless you were quite nearby and the method is very discreet. You could hide the communication by going to the table about another non-existent issue.

My point is to let it appear that the game officials discovered the error themselves.

I think it looks damaging to have to have the "next officials" correct a mistake like that.

bob jenkins Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:28pm

It's HTBT, but I might try to get a message through the table (for example, have the school administrator who came to you go to the table and have them sound the horn when the clock next stops)

Rob1968 Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:33pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 919946)
I don't believe you should do this, unless you were quite nearby and the method is very discreet. You could hide the communication by going to the table about another non-existent issue.

My point is to let it appear that the game officials discovered the error themselves.

I think it looks damaging to have to have the "next officials" correct a mistake like that.

I'm wondering, did the school administrator go to the table to have the table officials inform the floor officials?

Camron Rust Sun Jan 26, 2014 01:52pm

No. I'd stay out of this one entirely unless they (the officials) directly asked.

It is quite unlikely to have any effect on the game and both teams are similarly effected.

yooperbballref Sun Jan 26, 2014 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 919955)
It is quite unlikely to have any effect on the game and both teams are similarly effected.

Id stay out and just let them know after the game. Both sides of the court are the same so no true impact in the game.

Scooby Mon Jan 27, 2014 03:26am

In my neck of the woods officials are not to be in the gym (and dressed) while the prior game in be played for just this reason.

Going the wrong direction is embarrassing, for the officials, but little impact on the game. I would do nothing.

BillyMac Mon Jan 27, 2014 07:10am

Eye Black ...
 
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Originally Posted by yooperbballref (Post 919960)
Both sides of the court are the same so no true impact in the game.

Sunlight glare from windows during a day game?

OKREF Mon Jan 27, 2014 08:17am

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Originally Posted by yooperbballref (Post 919960)
Id stay out and just let them know after the game. Both sides of the court are the same so no true impact in the game.

Running your offense on your end of the court.

JMUplayer Wed Jan 29, 2014 09:40am

Let em be and let them learn at that level....... It's one of those things once you do it you should never do again.

SNIPERBBB Wed Jan 29, 2014 09:46am

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Originally Posted by Scooby (Post 920013)
In my neck of the woods officials are not to be in the gym (and dressed) while the prior game in be played for just this reason.

Going the wrong direction is embarrassing, for the officials, but little impact on the game. I would do nothing.

We hide here to as well. We will watch most of the first half and some of the second from the stands in plain clothes then go back to change and pregame. When the JV guys come in we know it's our turn to go out. Saves from any awkward appearances and conversations.

JRutledge Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:02am

I would stay completely out of it. It would be something I might talk to them afterwards but not directly intervene in the game.

Peace

bainsey Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:52am

If I were in the freshmen officials' shoes, I'd want to know about it right away.

JRutledge Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:57am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 920496)
If I were in the freshmen officials' shoes, I'd want to know about it right away.

The officials should know this very basic rule to begin with. But that being said it might be hard to do without completely undermining their authority on the court. If you correct this, you will be asked about other situations and might have the officials looking over their shoulder on other situations. Tell them after the game will not only avoid unnecessary embarrassment, it will let them learn the rule for future games.

Peace

Rich Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:02am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 920498)
The officials should know this very basic rule to begin with. But that being said it might be hard to do without completely undermining their authority on the court. If you correct this, you will be asked about other situations and might have the officials looking over their shoulder on other situations. Tell them after the game will not only avoid unnecessary embarrassment, it will let them learn the rule for future games.

Peace

There's an exception, I think. If they put the wrong time on the clock for the OT period, I'm probably getting word to the table. Other than that, I'm just a spectator.


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