Marquette vs Villanova--Video Request
 

Final play of regulation.

video added
 

Here's the play. I'd love to shake the hand of the person who posted this to YouTube...saved me some work :)


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Definitely in the RA.

is that reviewable?

No it's not reviewable. What I want to know is why the C stopped running on the play. He is responsible for providing help on the specific play. :mad:

Only in the NBA...

I also agree with BNR, that this is the type of play that the Center HAS to get in position for (as best as possible) to provide help on.

Agreed, C did not work hard enough to get into position to help on the play. Should have been a block because of RA. An argument could be made that the ball was out of the shooters hand before contact, so even going with the wrong call, the basket would have counted and then free throws on the other end.

C is the same guy who missed the shooting foul in UCONN-Louisville that led directly to Kevin Ollie's ejection. Perhaps biz will be along shortly to re-verify Brian O'Connell's dedication.

The missed call did not lead directly to Ollie's ejection. Missed calls happen all the time. As a D1 coach, Ollie is expected to demonstrate restraint and professionalism in those situations. Ollie's inability to control himself and his actions lead to him being ejected. He has no one to blame but himself.

Was that really a missed call?

Did the defender not start outside of the RA and back into it? Perhaps the lead judged that he established LGP before he stepped back into the the RA.

He would be wrong on that account as well. LGP was initially established with at least one, if not both feet in the RA.

He did have both feet on the floor and in the path well before he backed into the RA too. The only question is whether he was facing the opponent "enough" or not.

This play is going to be a RA blocking foul no matter how you look at it.

RA block. Center was too high literally the entire time from when the throw-in ended.

Did they go to the monitor after this? Was it to determine if there was time left on the game clock at the time of the foul?

Not only did he never have LGP outside the RA but he was moving after upward motion started too.

Why? Is that because you think he didn't establish LGP outside of it (I don't think he really did...but perhaps the lead did). Or is that because you think it is only about where the he took his final position.

While that may be true.

This is certainly not. The defender got to the position he took a long time before the shooter got there. The dribbler was just picking up the dribble by the time the defender took his spot.

Not sure what you are watching but he moves both feet well after the dribble is gathered.

Foot movement doesn't necessarily = loss of LGP (assuming the defender had LGP, by rule, in this instance). It appears after the dribble ended the defender never moved forward.

In full speed I felt it was RA and in slow mo it looks RA too.

Not relevant to the rule.

I see two steps forward after the dribble is gathered with the right foot moving after he left the floor.

I have initial LGP established while in the RA, and still having one foot on/above the RA when contact occurs.

RA play the whole way. This is a play where the C has to help. Like others have said, C was not in position to clearly see the play. That is a block.

Those who work NCAA....how exactly does the C help on this play? I mean if the C gets to FLTE and sees the feet in the area, how does he give that information to Lead? Does he simply post too? Does he go to Lead with information after Lead has signaled? Does he try to get Lead to not signal and then signal block?

The C goes to the lead. Tells him that the defender was in the restricted area, and the defenders number (the lead probably has forgotten it at this point). The lead changes the call and informs the coach that it is not a PC foul because defender was in the RA. Doesn't matter if the lead has already signaled or not.

What Johnny said. As soon as the C sees the Lead going PC he needs to get in there. Could be the trail as well. Somebody has to get to the Lead and give the information.

+1. Standard operating procedure. The L can't be expected to pick up something with the feet so close to the RA. The C really needs to get up the floor and help here.

They did, and put .2 seconds back on.

And then, if the L says he had LGP out of the RA and stepped back, the discussion is over because it would no longer be an RA play. (NOT saying the player did have LGP or that the lead thought so)

This might technically be true, but in reality it isn't going to happen that way. Once the C or T come in the lead is going to change the call 999/1000 times. It is assumed that the C or T are only coming when they are 100% positive that it was/wasn't an RA play. If there is any doubt, we do not come in with the information. If it turns out the C or T was wrong, they will be the one getting dinged by the evaluator/assignor.

Would never happen. If I'm coming to you, I'm 100% sure and you're changing it.

Just like a partner coming to me on an OOB call he thinks I missed. I'm changing it, I'm not going to argue with him on the floor.

It's not an argument. I'm L and C comes to me and says "B1 was in the RA." If I say to the C, "I know but I have B1 establishing LGP outside of the RA and backing in" the discussion is over just as quickly as if I had accepted C's information and gone with it.

I agree with JetMet.

If I didn't see that the player was in the RA, then I change it. <-- happens 99% of the time

If I see that the player was in the RA, but I have some other reason for it being a charge (player established outside; offense led with foot or arm; play started in LDB (NCAAW only)), then I explain it briefly and stick with my call <-- happens 1% of the time.

Same as if the ball goes out on my line and you come to me saying it was tipped out top -- 99% of the time I change it, but if the ball was tipped again that you didn't see, I stick with my call.

Was that the proper mechanic for PCF on that play? Looks like official was showboating.

Really?

Really?

If I have a call that wipes off the game-winning buzzer-beating score, you can bet I'm selling the heck out of it. Whether the mechanic is perfect is far less important than 1) does everyone know what you have? and 2) have you done what you can to make them believe you are right?

Exactly. Anyone who thinks that going fist / hand to the back of the head / point there would be BETTER is missing the big picture.

Curious...why do you think the official was showboating?

I have an RA block. But beyond that I'm not even pointing to the RA because this is a garden variety block. I do not have LGP before the start of the upward motion by the defender.

Block, count it.

Im surprised no one has had 3 traveling violations yet.

Give it time.