Duke vs Miami double foul vid request (Clip Added)

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If it is a block, what did the defender do wrong? I cannot think of anything that shows the defender was wrong in his movement.

Lost legal position and/or never had legal position to begin with.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Lost legal position and/or never had legal position to begin with.

Just like you (and others) and Jeff (and others) have different opinions seeing the same play, the C and L had different opinions. And, they only had once chance to watch it. It happens.

I've sat in meetings where official's supervisors have watched similar tapes and had diverging viewpoints.

As long as we know what to look for, we'll get more right. And, both sides have explained that they know what to look for.

There's no need to try to "win" this debate by convincing the other side. (directed generically)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If it is a block, what did the defender do wrong? I cannot think of anything that shows the defender was wrong in his movement.

Peace

He moved forward. Use the markings on the floor for reference.

When the 2 players were about 10' apart, the defender was about 3' above the top of the letters "ACC". When they were about 5' apart, one foot was near the "ACC", at the time of the collision, one foot was on the "ACC" and the other one still shuffling forward to try to match.

Block.

[stick]

[QUOTE=maroonx;919658]1st quarter 7:16
One official called block on a duke player other official called charge on Miami player. 0nly 2 officials huddled. Ruled double foul. Miami gets throw- in on

According to the replay shown the L should be the primary and it would be his call. The C is secondary and after he blew his whistle he should have just waited. Of course NCAA might be different than how we call it for high school games. I wonder if the officials discussed this in their pre-game? That being said I see this as a block on the Duke defender but that's just hinsight--looking at the play in slow motion. If I was on the court as either the C or the L it's difficult to predict what I would have called in real time!!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by stick

According to the replay shown the L should be the primary and it would be his call. The C is secondary and after he blew his whistle he should have just waited. Of course NCAA might be different than how we call it for high school games. I wonder if the officials discussed this in their pre-game? That being said I see this as a block on the Duke defender but that's just hinsight--looking at the play in slow motion. If I was on the court as either the C or the L it's difficult to predict what I would have called in real time!!

Those 2 officials have worked dozens of times together, and both have officiated Final Fours. A brain fart on the part of the C for not holding his preliminary.

[JugglingReferee]

For close plays like this one, I have found that something will be obvious that would indicate that the play is a block.

I didn't see anything that is obviously a block. I did see something that tends to a PC, although it wasn't a clear-cut case for that either. In the end, I've got a PC.

I think the L gets the first crack at this one. I agree with bob that a no-call is wrong, so if I'm the C, I'm stepping in only if the L doesn't. I definitely don't see this as a "crew call" that was mentioned in another thread.