10 seconds back court violation?

[bob jenkins]

There's a specific FED case where the violation cannot be called (same as if it was called but the clock read :51).

In NCAA, C and L have joint responsibility with T on 10-second calls -- they use the shot clock.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a specific FED case where the violation cannot be called (same as if it was called but the clock read :51).

In NCAA, C and L have joint responsibility with T on 10-second calls -- they use the shot clock.

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Bob,

Using Fed, when (:45, :40, "50) would you be comfortable putting a whistle on this play? Once you start making these kinds of calls, where does it stop - i.e. closely guarded plays, throw-ins, f. throws, etc....

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

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Bob,

Using Fed, when (:45, :40, "50) would you be comfortable putting a whistle on this play? Once you start making these kinds of calls, where does it stop - i.e. closely guarded plays, throw-ins, f. throws, etc....

I would NOT be comfortable doing this as L or C in Fed.

That said, at some point, I would step in. You can't let, for example, a team hold the ball in the BC for 8:00 minutes.

[Ref16]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a specific FED case where the violation cannot be called (same as if it was called but the clock read :51).

In NCAA, C and L have joint responsibility with T on 10-second calls -- they use the shot clock.

I know that we use the shot clock in NCAAW to gauge the 10 second count (not a visible count), but I didn't think the NCAA men used the same rule? Or are you saying it is a reviewable call that can be over turned?

Curious to find out the answer!

[johnny d]

New for this year, NCAA-M use the shot clock for the 10 second back court violation as well. Watch the games on tv, you will notice the officials no longer have a visible count.

[Ref16]

Originally Posted by johnny d

New for this year, NCAA-M use the shot clock for the 10 second back court violation as well. Watch the games on tv, you will notice the officials no longer have a visible count.

I wish I still had time to watch games on tv! LoL

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Ref16

I know that we use the shot clock in NCAAW to gauge the 10 second count (not a visible count), but I didn't think the NCAA men used the same rule? Or are you saying it is a reviewable call that can be over turned?

Curious to find out the answer!

In NCAAW if we miss the violation it's over. We can't go back and deal with it much like any other violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

In NCAAW if we miss the violation it's over. We can't go back and deal with it much like any other violation.

Agreed. I was only answering the "can the C or L call the violation" question.

[stiffler3492]

When did they add the ten second violation for NCAA W?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

When did they add the ten second violation for NCAA W?

Start of the current season.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a specific FED case where the violation cannot be called (same as if it was called but the clock read :51).

In NCAA, C and L have joint responsibility with T on 10-second calls -- they use the shot clock.

It's Case Book 5.10.1 Situation B "If the count was not accurate or was not made, it cannot be corrected. There is no provision for the correction of an error made in the official's accuracy in counting seconds."