Endgame controversy in No VA

[deecee]

Originally Posted by APG

This is exactly why when there's a timeout in a situation like this, the crew gets together and discusses end of game situations...in this case...everyone should remind either other...no catch and shoot with .2 on the clock

Or how about at the varsity level this should be known, and doesn't really need repeating. Instead court coverage should be the conversation.

[APG]

Originally Posted by deecee

Or how about at the varsity level this should be known, and doesn't really need repeating. Instead court coverage should be the conversation.

I can't imagine mentioning the catch and shoot rule would take so much time that you can't mention it and still go over court coverage.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by APG

I can't imagine mentioning the catch and shoot rule would take so much time that you can't mention it and still go over court coverage.

The other part of this whole thing that just doesn’t compute is…okay, everyone had a brain f*** when the shot went up. Hard to believe but stuff happens. So the shot goes in and everyone on the crew…just…leaves? Everyone completely forgot before, after and during the shot that there was 0:00.2 on the clock when the play began? That’s tough to even fathom.

Even if they stay out there and have to wave it off they’re not going to get a beef from the home HC because *he* knew a catch-and-shoot wasn’t on the menu.

Originally Posted by justacoach

Does anyone work in a state that would support setting aside the outcome of such a game, regular season or post season?

That's tough to do because you'd have teams lining up outside the state association's door to overturn results because of what they thought was "an obvious error by an official." That's why most protests aren't allowed. I think in this case they could argue a rule was ignored or misapplied - as opposed to an official's error in judgment - but it would still be tough.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

Or how about at the varsity level this should be known, and doesn't really need repeating. Instead court coverage should be the conversation.

What a nonsense statement. Why is court coverage any more worth repeating? Shouldn't that be known also? Isn't that covered in your pre-game?

This situation is exactly why the rule is worth repeating, so that no one has a brain cramp.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What a nonsense statement. Why is court coverage any more worth repeating? Shouldn't that be known also? Isn't that covered in your pre-game?

This situation is exactly why the rule is worth repeating, so that no one has a brain cramp.

Court coverage is the *last* thing we would cover in such a situation. If we don't know how to cover a court by now...

The catch-and-shoot rule is the ONE THING we *would* cover here.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

Court coverage is the *last* thing we would cover in such a situation. If we don't know how to cover a court by now...

The catch-and-shoot rule is the ONE THING we *would* cover here.

I disagree, reiteration of help on threes to make sure it is a three, release of the ball versus horn, and most importantly if the shot is not going to be counted start waving it off immediately, not after the horn, and after its gone in. But since these guys didn't know that, ya in this case lets cover the .3 seconds rule.

It's like covering the 10 second back court count at a dead ball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

I disagree, reiteration of help on threes to make sure it is a three, release of the ball versus horn, and most importantly if the shot is not going to be counted start waving it off immediately, not after the horn, and after its gone in. But since these guys didn't know that, ya in this case lets cover the .3 seconds rule.

It's like covering the 10 second back court count at a dead ball.

Why does this need to be covered? Opposite table has the clock and since it has to be a tip, what else needs to be covered? If the ball is caught, the opposite-table official needs to come in strong and kill it.

The rest of the stuff you mentioned doesn't even apply in this situation.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

Why does this need to be covered? Opposite table has the clock and since it has to be a tip, what else needs to be covered? If the ball is caught, the opposite-table official needs to come in strong and kill it.

The rest of the stuff you mentioned doesn't even apply in this situation.

I agree, it does not apply, but to this crew it did.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

... and most importantly if the shot is not going to be counted start waving it off immediately, not after the horn, and after its gone in...

So don't discuss the pertinent rule, but discuss a mechanic a varsity crew should already know.

Yeah, great logical progression.

[jTheUmp]

Why not discuss both rules and coverages during the last timeout? It wouldn't take more than a few seconds anyway:

"Ok, remember now, less than 0.3 on the clock, only a tap can score. OPPOSITE_TABLE_OFFICIAL_NAME has clock, keep focus on your primary, and as soon as this is over, let's GTFO through that door".

Can't take more than 10 seconds to get through all of that.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Why not discuss both rules and coverages during the last timeout? It wouldn't take more than a few seconds anyway:

"Ok, remember now, less than 0.3 on the clock, only a tap can score. OPPOSITE_TABLE_OFFICIAL_NAME has clock, keep focus on your primary, and as soon as this is over, let's GTFO through that door".

Can't take more than 10 seconds to get through all of that.

Is it "less than .3 seconds" or is it ".3 seconds or less"?

[egj13]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Why not discuss both rules and coverages during the last timeout? It wouldn't take more than a few seconds anyway:

"Ok, remember now, less than 0.3 on the clock, only a tap can score. OPPOSITE_TABLE_OFFICIAL_NAME has clock, keep focus on your primary, and as soon as this is over, let's GTFO through that door".

Can't take more than 10 seconds to get through all of that.

Exactly...and guess what, they aren't going to start the game without you. Take the dime to discuss it ALL and get it right.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So don't discuss the pertinent rule, but discuss a mechanic a varsity crew should already know.

Yeah, great logical progression.

Can't tell you how many times I've had games where no matter how many times we discuss last second shot and coverage, the wrong official is scoring, waving off, blowing the whistle while sometimes (either the correct official is either asleep at the wheel or about to do his duty).

Heck, I've had a 3 man game where with less than 3 seconds to go in a full court situation, and Im the trail (on the other side of the court) administering an in-bounds and somehow the team is able to get off a layup (albeit right after the buzzer) when they were down by 2 and I have to come in and wave the shot off, because both my partners were just standing there after the horn sounded. So yes, I've had the privileged, of being in way to many situations where this needs to be covered.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by deecee

I disagree, reiteration of help on threes to make sure it is a three, release of the ball versus horn, and most importantly if the shot is not going to be counted start waving it off immediately, not after the horn, and after its gone in. But since these guys didn't know that, ya in this case lets cover the .3 seconds rule.

Really? You roll your eyes at covering the .3 seconds rule when there's less than .3 second... yet you advocate discussing help on threes when a 3 point shot is not a possibility?

You should also cover jump ball mechanics at the same time - they will be of equal value to you in this situation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Really? You roll your eyes at covering the .3 seconds rule when there's less than .3 second... yet you advocate discussing help on threes when a 3 point shot is not a possibility?

Why isn't a 3 possible? You don't have to catch and shoot to get a 3....it could be tapped from there too making all of his points possible. It is unlikely to go in on such a tap, but it could. In reality, all of those things should be covered, most of all, the 0.3 situation.