When is a tap a tap
There was discussion after seeing a play last night where a player received an in bounds pass with one hand at the top of the key with less than .3 seconds on the clock and made the basket. The officials counted the basket even though it looked exactly like a try. He caught it and flipped it in one motion with one hand.
Rule 4-41 ART. 5 says that A tap for goal is the contacting of the ball with any part of a *player's hand(s) in an attempt to direct the ball into his/her basket. It doesn't seem to restrict the player to any part of the hand, length from the basket, or how long the ball can be on the hand. Is the difference between a tap and a try that a tap can not last longer that .2 seconds? Does this mean a player could get off a shot from, let's say half court if its with one hand, and still be called a tap? |
A tap is a tap. Catch and shoot isn't a tap now is it?
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I know this may be a third-world play, but that's what you invite with the hard-and-fast 0:00.3 rule.
If a player was to "volleyball bump" the ball into the bucket, I'm guessing it's considered a tap if it contacts any part of the hands, but not if it's higher up on the forearms? |
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It's like pornography... I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.
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Probably a bit circular, but I like to consider this in terms of whether I'd grant a timeout if requested. If there's even the slightest moment of control, or 'holding' the ball, it's a catch.
Still could be hard to tell in some cases, though. |
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Even on a tap, the ball still must be released before the horn (assuming the clock starts properly, etc.). |
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So, if this is off her forearms before the horn, and goes in the bucket after the horn, it's a good bucket. |
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(No one would really do this, so that's why 4-41-5 says "hands") |
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"A player shall not travel with the ball ... strike it with the fist or cause it to enter or pass through the basket from below" I'm not seeing anything about forearms. |
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I mentioned the prohibition against using a fist to punch the ball, and with 4-41-5 refering to "hands", I would have a hard time finding a justification for calling this a try and allowing the ball to remain live after the horn. |
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As I said before, as a practical matter, it's not going to happen. If there's only .3 left, then the ball will be thrown and contacted up high. If there's more than .3 left, then the player will attempt to catch the ball as opposed to "bumping" the ball. |
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Do you draw the line anywhere in terms of what body part is used to "attempt to score". If the volleyball forearm bump could be considered an attempt to score, then it seems like you are including "arms" as a body part that could be considered acceptable for a "tap" in an attempt to score. What about a soccer style "header" an attempt to score? I'm inclined to stick with the strict interpretation of the definition of a tap that required "hands". But I was curious what others think. |
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The rule defines a tap as contacting the ball with "hand(s)." So if it hits the forarms or head, it is not a tap and the ball is dead on the horn. However, if the player strikes the ball with the HANDS held together in "volleyball bump position" that is a tap, and the goal counts even after the horn. I've actually wondered before why I've never heard of a team trying a "volleyball shot" when down by 3 with 0.3 or less on the clock. I've especially wondered it at the HS/NCAA women levels where it is likely that there is at least one experienced volleyball player on the squad. Sure its an unlikely shot.... but with a skilled volleyballer I think the odds are better than a lob into the paint-made tap-foul combination. |
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I get that some would be literal. I respect that opinion. I often choose the literal wording myself. In this instance, I choose not to be. As long as it's not a kick, it's a tap, to me. |
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Maybe I can see extending it to the forearms.... but on a head ball now you will also need to also determine whether it was an intentional tap (live ball) or just rebounded off a head (dead at the horn). Opens up too many "ifs" and just too slippery a slope for me. In addition, the powers that be seem to believe that basketball is played with the hands. So for me to call it an intentional tap (or try) and keep the ball alive, I will need the player to use his/her hands. |
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I've had games where one of the players had only one hand. If s/he "tapped" the ball with the stub (a)below the elbow (b) at the end of the upper arm "stub" -- would you allow it?
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Wow... way to turn me into an insensitive jerk.... and you really like messing with us literal folks, huh? Here's how I call it (at least until fed publishes a clarification): the end of the arm is the hand. Why? (1) because I don't know what else to call the end of the arm, but more importantly, (2) because I have known a few folks with this disability and they did at times use the end of the arm to steady or balance objects in place of the hand. The could not grasp of course, but this play actually prohibits grasping. The "push" involved in the tap, if accomplished by the end of the arm, is done the same way with or without a hand and is legal in my book. If accomplished by the shaft of the arm, it is illegal just as it would be by a player without any disability. And this is regardless of whether the arm ends above or below the elbow. |
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Not really the way I took it either. But I do enjoy a good challenge. |
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