4 technical fouls in a row... now what ?

[just another ref]

This is getting close to a forfeit situation.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is getting close to a forfeit situation.

Yup, one more coach getting a T in this spot and I'd be inclined to let the association clean this mess up.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

Yup, one more coach getting a T in this spot and I'd be inclined to let the association clean this mess up.

Why? Does your area have a regulation that the game is a forfeit if an asst coach gets a T after the Head Coach has been disqualified? Is the team not complying with the previous technical foul penalties (such as the HC refusing to leave)?

Although there are several Ts in this situation, nothing strikes me as worthy of ending the contest. The out of control coach has been removed and there are two players remaing who have unsporting (non-contact) Ts. So this isn't a safety situation such as following a fight or crowd throwing objects onto the court.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why? Does your area have a regulation that the game is a forfeit if an asst coach gets a T after the Head Coach has been disqualified? Is the team not complying with the previous technical foul penalties (such as the HC refusing to leave)?

Although there are several Ts in this situation, nothing strikes me as worthy of ending the contest. The out of control coach has been removed and there are two players remaing who have unsporting (non-contact) Ts. So this isn't a safety situation such as following a fight or crowd throwing objects onto the court.

I can only imagine that once you hit the 5 T's in a row on 4 different individuals with a HC getting tossed the circumstances in the gym (especially if this were the home team) would border on utter chaos. I also don't think that it would end at 5 if that's the case. By that point you don't have a contest but a joke.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

I can only imagine that once you hit the 5 T's in a row on 4 different individuals with a HC getting tossed the circumstances in the gym (especially if this were the home team) would border on utter chaos. I also don't think that it would end at 5 if that's the case. By that point you don't have a contest but a joke.

Agreed

5-4-1: The referee may also forfeit a game if any player, team member, bench personnel or coach fails to comply with any technical foul penalty, or repeatedly commits technical foul infractions or other acts which make a travesty of the game.

Not saying when I definitely would, but like I said, it's getting close.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Agreed

5-4-1: The referee may also forfeit a game if any player, team member, bench personnel or coach fails to comply with any technical foul penalty, or repeatedly commits technical foul infractions or other acts which make a travesty of the game.

Not saying when I definitely would, but like I said, it's getting close.

So which player, team member, coach (bench personnel) is repeatedly committing technical foul infractions? We currently have two people with a single such infraction and someone who has left with two.

This isn't a case of a coach saying to give him as many Ts as we want, he doesn't care, and isn't leaving.

This rule is not written to collectively penalize technical fouls by a team, but rather by individuals. Don't make it into something which it isn't. We need to adhere to the text of the rule as written.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So which player, team member, coach (bench personnel) is repeatedly committing technical foul infractions? We currently have two people with a single such infraction and someone who has left with two.

This isn't a case of a coach saying to give him as many Ts as we want, he doesn't care, and isn't leaving.

This rule is not written to collectively penalize technical fouls by a team, but rather by individuals. Don't make it into something which it isn't. We need to adhere to the text of the rule as written.

I think you have to look at the situation and analyze the whole thing. If the OP happens in the second quarter, and the AC makes a snide remark a few minutes later, no. But if all of this happens with 20 seconds left in a game with a 25 point spread, and before the HC ever makes it out of the gym the AC stands up and screams "WHAT DID YOU EXPECT HIM TO DO? YOU A**HOLES HAVE BEEN SCREWING US AROUND ALL NIGHT!!" Yeah, I just might pull the plug on this one.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Agreed

5-4-1: The referee may also forfeit a game if any player, team member, bench personnel or coach fails to comply with any technical foul penalty, or repeatedly commits technical foul infractions or other acts which make a travesty of the game.

Not saying when I definitely would, but like I said, it's getting close.

Not even remotely close. I would not fish this rule out of the book unless someone was ejected and simply wouldn't leave or stop the tirade, and you felt there was no way to continue the game.

I strongly don't believe this rule was intended to apply when the offenders were all different people.

[stick]

They get 8 shots and the ball at halfcourt opposite the table.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not even remotely close. I would not fish this rule out of the book unless someone was ejected and simply wouldn't leave or stop the tirade, and you felt there was no way to continue the game.

I strongly don't believe this rule was intended to apply when the offenders were all different people.

Ending a game is a NUCLEAR option. Nobody should *ever* end a game early unless there's a really good reason for it.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by deecee

Yup, one more coach getting a T in this spot and I'd be inclined to let the association clean this mess up.

Honestly, unless the referees felt their own safety was in jeopardy (and I don't think we're there given there's nothing physically threatening in the OP), just adjudicate the game. I'd have a severe problem scheduling a guy who simply decided 5 T's was too much and left the building.