Wisconsin vs Iowa
 

I don't do college so question for college officials. Are you instructed to call a foul on defense anytime hand is on body when offensive player makes a move. It just seemed like a lot of ticky tack fouls being called in this game. I thought contact doesn't always constitute a foul. Especially if offense is not placed at a disadvantage.

In my opinion the officials were not consistent. Passed on some obvious fouls and called what fans like to call cheapys.

"When those four things [placing and keeping a hand/forearm on an opponent, putting two hands on an opponent, continually jabbing an opponent and using an arm bar] happen against a player with the ball, they're fouls,'' he said. "They're not maybe a foul, sometimes a foul, not late in the game they're not a foul. They're fouls.''

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I hate that term, "ticky tack fouls". The folks who use it seem to be saying, "I know it's a foul by rule, but the officials shouldn't call it".

As far as passing on obvious fouls, the amount of contact allowed in the paint, especially between post players, is not the same as that allowed on the perimeter.

Advanced Tip ...
 

Any illegal use of hands, arms or body, offense or defense, that slows, prevents, impedes the progress, or
displaces an opposing player, due to the contact, is a foul and must be called. When a player places both
hands on a ball-handler, it is a foul. When a player continuously places a hand on the ball handler, it is a foul.
When a player continuously jabs a hand or forearm on a ball-handler, it is a foul. When a player jabs a hand,
or forearm, on an opponent to control his or her movement or gain an advantage, it is a foul. If the dribbler’s
rhythm, speed, balance, or quickness are affected, we should have a hand-checking foul. Tactics using the
hands, arms or body that permit any player, offense or defense, to control (hold, impede, push, divert, slow
or prevent) the movement of an opposing player is a foul.

Something many people forget. Rules for defending someone with their back to the basket in the lane area are different than an offensive player facing the basket.

Iowa Coach (Video Request)
 

Since we are discussing this game, I heartell that the Iowa HC got tossed, and supposedly bumped an official in the action leading up or after the ejection.

Reading the play-by-play, it appears to happen around the 11:51 mark of the 2nd half.

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He was out of control. Those were no brainer techs and Wisconsin made all 4 technical free throws. In NCAA they must shoot the technicals first, in high school, we would have shot the shooting foul free throws then the technical throws.

Pfan

Shoot the Ts, then resume at POI (with some exceptions).

Well this was a foul. It was very obvious. I cannot speak for the rest of the game.

Peace

Please, elaborate - written references, philosophical references, application of rules. (I'm doing even more mentoring of newer officials this season, and will appreciate insight on expressing that concept.)

Rob, I'll send you a PM later today (actually tonight). I just got home from work and I have to grab a nap before my game.

If someone is able to help, please do.

It's an NCAA concept and might not apply to NFHS (depending on your state).

You can get some of this from the NCAA (W, at least) arbiter site, if you belong.

Thank you. I'll look for it.

Thanks, Bob. The concept is understandable, and I probably won't present it, in depth, to most of the newer officials I'm mentoring. As with so many things, the presentation of the concept and the application are of utmost interest.

Defensive Foul Before Ejection
 

Iowa fan here. I was embarrassed by our coach last night. No excuse for his actions. Hopefully he'll learn from this and conduct himself with much better composure in the future.

Regarding post defense being discussed in this thread, can anyone post video of the foul immediately prior to the media timeout before the coach's meltdown. Just under 12 minutes in the second half I believe. Would anyone consider a player control foul for displacing the defender? If not, would the defender be within the rules to be more aggressive in "holding his ground"? Is holding his ground the back to the basket post defense that JetMetFan is referring to?

Thanks in advance.

Well, the rules are not so much different as is the application of the rules.

It takes a lot more contact to have an effect (advantage/disadvantage, RSBQ, RIDD, etc.) on a short jumper than it does on a long range shot or on a post move vs. perimeter movement.

Isn't that the play at the beginning of the video? If yes, that is not a displacement foul.

The reason he went off was the Iowa possession prior to the foul the Iowa shooter in the paint had the defender go through him to block a shot and appeared to hit him in the head.

There were about 3 or 4 other plays early in the second half that also were extremely inconsistently called.

Thanks, Camron. This is an area with which many newer officials seem to struggle. And the simple "advantage/disadvantage" statement seems inadequate, when I'm talking to them.

Newer officials are going to struggle with this, there's no skipping that part of the development.


First stage: Freeze and forget to blow your whistle.
Second stage: Call everything you see, all contact is a foul.
Third stage: Discover advantage/disadvantage, but let way too many fouls go uncalled.
Fourth stage: Start to develop an equilibrium on what you call.

The time spent in each stage varies, but I think they're almost universal.

So 4 or 5 feet of backward movement on 2 separate dribbles is not displacement? If not, what qualifies as displacement?

I didn't see the play, but ...

The official must decide if the defense is giving way, or is being displaced. It's a tough decision while on the court.

edit: I went back and found the video. I agree with Arem, from the camera angle.

The latest You Make the Call NCAA-Men's video has an example of post displacement, this play is nowhere close. The defender gave up ground pretty willingly.

Secondly, it wouldn't have hurt my feelings if that assistant coach joined the HC in the locker room.

Big Ten suspends Iowa coach Fran McCaffery for one game
 

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1 game? Seems low.

I agree. Some of the officials I'm working with are in the 2nd stage, and some are in the 3rd.
A partner, last week, called several fouls, "on the floor - before the shot". Some of the plays resulted in a basket being taken away - to the dismay of the players and coaches. It was hard to be consistent as a crew. . .
So I had a discussion with him, after our game, regarding continuation / contact after the "gather", (which seems to be a current catchword). I referenced 4-11-2, and asked him to consider being more patient, so he could see the whole play, and not penalize good play.
I'd appreciate comments on how to address such an issue with newer officials.

That's some apology from the guy too. :cool:

I'm a huge Hawkeye fan and this whole thing leaves me disappointed. I have to ask, though, what you expected from his apology.

How about, for once, the Coach actually apologizes. Something along the lines of

"I am really sorry that I lost it. I know better, and I need to keep myself under control. I especially want to apologize to Mr. Whoever and Mr. Whatshisname, the two officials that I 'went off' on. They are excellent officials and did not deserve the abuse I heaped on them."

Wishful thinking?? Yes...

I've had this happen a few times - messages like this forwarded through an assignor. Maybe it's the cynic in me, but I've always assumed the apology was written more to get the coach out of trouble than from sincerity.

I think sometimes all you're going to get is the "I screwed up and want to put this behind me" apology.

Agreed...most of the apologies are along the lines of "I regret that this unfortunate circumstance took place"...in this case, the Coach came within a few inches of hitting the first official when coach swung his arm violently, and then continued on to bump into a different official. That needs a more sincere apology.

Oh my goodness, that Superman mechanic :eek:

That superman mechanic, as you call it, is an approved mechanic for NCAA-M this year. Get used to it.

Nothing at all wrong with it, IMO.

When used at the right time, it's a perfect signal that more accurately shows what happened on a play. Much like the "hit to the head" signal is a better signal for those type of plays rather than using the generic illegal use of hands signal.