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RocRef Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:25am

Using my voice
 
Hey all,

2nd Year official here, out of Rochester, NY Board 60. Its been a fun season so far and I've been working more JV games than last year. One of the comments that the Varsity refs seem to critique me on is using my voice more. I'm now trying to get into the habit of always saying the color of the team on out of bounds, announcing the violation when i call it, announcing the type of foul when doing preliminary and communicating to the table with my voice better. What other situations should I use my voice and is there such thing as using your voice too much? Thanks in advance guys.

bob jenkins Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:31am

Also orally indicate the inbound spot on violations and the spot / shooter (and number of shots) on fouls.

You can also use it to tell your partners when a the next foul will put a team in the bonus.

Raymond Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:42am

There are times you can be too loud (yelling as opposed to a stern, authoritative voice).

You don't want to have same the voice for a routine OOB calls as you would for OOB play that involves multiple players touching the ball. ("White!!! Off Blue 22's leg)

You want to use your voice when you have a non-shooting foul (foul on dribble or before shooting motion) in which the player goes on to shoot the ball. ("Foul on the dribble"; "Foul before the shot").

Also, say you grant a Time-out then the ball is turned over, player travels, ball is passed. ("Before...., time-out White Coach")

After granting time-outs, communicate about the throw-in spot with your partners ("Time-out Red, sideline throw-in in the backcourt")

I'm a voice guy, and I get good marks for it. When I report fouls I say thngs like, "hit to the head", "ran through the screen", "hit from behind". I like to communicate so that there are fewer questions from coaches as to what & why I am calling something.

JetMetFan Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:48am

You can also use your voice to get teams lined up faster on free throws. I've gotten in the habit of saying, "let's line up gentlemen/ladies" in free throw situations when I'm not the official that called the foul. It keeps the players focused and makes the game flow a little faster. It also appears to players and coaches as though you're more in command.

ODog Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:02pm

Along the same lines of communicating the free-throw scenario to the players as the non-calling official ("white here, white here" for the 2 required spots, to get them lined up quicker), you can also use your voice to get the ball back in your hands more quickly after a whistle.

As you know, players will often stand dumbfounded holding the ball with no idea where it should go once play stops. A little, "here you go, white; right behind you, white; thanks, white" goes a long way toward having the ball ready to inbound/administer as soon as your partner's ready to roll.

jeschmit Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:11pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 916770)
You can also use your voice to get teams lined up faster on free throws. I've gotten in the habit of saying, "let's line up gentlemen/ladies" in free throw situations when I'm not the official that called the foul. It keeps the players focused and makes the game flow a little faster. It also appears to players and coaches as though you're more in command.

Careful with the "ladies." I've been told to call them players. What if they doing like being called ladies?

Rich Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:20pm

If you're fairly new, you're likely not loud enough.

It took me a few camps and a few repetitions with the same stubborn clinician to realize I needed to be *louder* all of the time and EVEN LOUDER sometimes.

Eastshire Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:30pm

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Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 916773)
Careful with the "ladies." I've been told to call them players. What if they doing like being called ladies?

If I was told to call them players, I would nod politely and ignore the advice. (This is assuming the advice was about a girls' game. I don't really recommend using the term "ladies" during a boys game.)

bob jenkins Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:37pm

I have heard that same advice from some big-dogs in NCAAW.

Eastshire Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:39pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 916778)
I have heard that same advice from some big-dogs in NCAAW.

I don't doubt it. I just don't buy into the philosophy that there's something wrong with women being treated with respect that's rampart particularly in the college arena.

Rich Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:47pm

I'm working almost all boys games this season.

So I'm filling in for a guy with a bum knee just before Christmas. Go towards a huddle on the first horn..."First horn gentlemen..."

Well, I could've been talking to the coaches!

jeschmit Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:48pm

To each their own. I'll just say that you're safer calling them players. I know for a fact that they are all players... :)

BigT Fri Jan 03, 2014 01:36pm

I like to tell my partner that I liked his call. Especially when someone else is giving him crap for it...

Using a big voice will reduce how much crap you take for making great calls. It shows a big presence. You will love your voice once you make it a habit.

Eastshire Fri Jan 03, 2014 01:58pm

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Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 916784)
To each their own. I'll just say that you're safer calling them players. I know for a fact that they are all players... :)

Maybe, but I think calling them "players" is both condescending and offensive; so you may not be safer either.

referee99 Fri Jan 03, 2014 02:28pm

Imitation.
 
RocRef,
Find officials who you admire. Attend their games. Listen to how they use their voice. Imitate them.

PS, use your voice on all occasions that the Mechanics Manual tells you to.

SWMOzebra Fri Jan 03, 2014 03:07pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 916778)
I have heard that same advice from some big-dogs in NCAAW.

Ditto. I've seen a partner get his a$$ chewed by a female coach during a juco game. She told him in no uncertain terms that men using the term "ladies" is not appropriate to the college game.

On the other hand, I've heard female officials use the term "ladies" and no one seemed to care.

Raymond Fri Jan 03, 2014 03:14pm

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Originally Posted by SWMOzebra (Post 916799)
Ditto. I've seen a partner get his a$$ chewed by a female coach during a juco game. She told him in no uncertain terms that men using the term "ladies" is not appropriate to the college game.

On the other hand, I've heard female officials use the term "ladies" and no one seemed to care.

When I'm doing girls games, I say "ladies". When I'm doing boys and men, I use the word "fellas".

I would say, if your career path is that of NCAA-Women's, then follow the expectations of that level. But at the HS level, which is only place I will officiate females, then I don't see a problem using the term, "ladies".

bob jenkins Fri Jan 03, 2014 03:15pm

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Originally Posted by SWMOzebra (Post 916799)
Ditto. I've seen a partner get his a$$ chewed by a female coach during a juco game. She told him in no uncertain terms that men using the term "ladies" is not appropriate to the college game.

On the other hand, I've heard female officials use the term "ladies" and no one seemed to care.

I think it depends on the coach more than the official.

RocRef Fri Jan 03, 2014 03:30pm

Thanks guys for all the advice. I have a JV game in a couple hours. I will work on this.

Raymond Fri Jan 03, 2014 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by RocRef (Post 916809)
Thanks guys for all the advice. I have a JV game in a couple hours. I will work on this.

Is it a Girls game? :D

RocRef Fri Jan 03, 2014 03:48pm

haha, no I'm on the boys board. I may ref the boys and girls board next season.

shavano Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:56pm

Some Southern charm perhaps?
 
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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 916790)
Maybe, but I think calling them "players" is both condescending and offensive; so you may not be safer either.

Though I'm originally from CA, and am a 40 year transplant to the Centennial State, I've found that "y'all" works pretty well for both genders...

jeschmit Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 916790)
Maybe, but I think calling them "players" is both condescending and offensive; so you may not be safer either.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around them being called players as condescending or offensive... Isn't that exactly what they are?

Quote:

Rule 3
Section 1. Player

A player is one of five or fewer members of a team’s personnel who is legally on the playing court to participate. An individual shall retain player status during a timeout.

Adam Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:45pm

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Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 916835)
I have a hard time wrapping my head around them being called players as condescending or offensive... Isn't that exactly what they are?

They're also ladies, but that's apparently offensive.

jeschmit Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:53pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 916836)
They're also ladies, but that's apparently offensive.

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la·dy (ld)
n. pl. la·dies
1. A well-mannered and considerate woman with high standards of proper behavior.
2.
a. A woman regarded as proper and virtuous.
b. A well-behaved young girl.
3. A woman who is the head of a household.
4. A woman, especially when spoken of or to in a polite way.
If you think every female on the basketball court is a lady, you don't referee enough women's games! ;)

This is all in fun here, but I'm sticking to my guns that you're safer calling them players. I never said that calling them ladies was offensive either...

Adam Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:41am

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Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 916837)
If you think every female on the basketball court is a lady, you don't referee enough women's games! ;)

This is all in fun here, but I'm sticking to my guns that you're safer calling them players. I never said that calling them ladies was offensive either...

:)
I've heard others say not to call them ladies. Frankly, I just think it's too much worrying about nothing. I'm going to continue doing what I do.

"Players" comes across as awkward for me, which is worst than being offensive with the word "ladies".

It strikes me that "lady" can be offensive if used that way, as in "Hey lady! Watch it!" I've never known "ladies" to be actually be considered offensive by anyone but easily offended observers.

I may just go with shavano's "y'all"

bainsey Sat Jan 04, 2014 01:03am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 916838)
I've never known "ladies" to be actually be considered offensive by anyone but easily offended observers.

I may just go with shavano's "y'all"

In the northeast corner, "y'all" will get you far more strange looks than "ladies." I see nothing offensive about "ladies" or "gentlemen." The last I checked, they're terms of respect.

shavano Sat Jan 04, 2014 01:11am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 916840)
In the northeast corner, "y'all" will get you far more strange looks than "ladies." I see nothing offensive about "ladies" or "gentlemen." The last I checked, they're terms of respect.

Can you say "y'all" with a northeastern accent? ;)

JetMetFan Sat Jan 04, 2014 08:51am

I’ll admit one of my assignors said something to me about calling BV players “gentlemen” (specifically, “they’re not gentlemen”). The circumstances were a bit odd, though:

*The assignor is one of my NCAAW assignors.
*It was in the summer at a camp for NCAAW officials but the players were BV.

Rebel that I am :rolleyes: I still say “gentlemen” in BV games and “ladies” in my GV and NCAAW games. Most of my female partners in NCAAW say “ladies” – if anything – so I figured it’s no big deal. They may not all be ladies and gentlemen out there but maybe the power of suggestion will help ;). Besides, a little respect never hurt anyone.

The one time I said “fellas” during a game a few months ago I heard someone in the stands say, “Fellas? Really?”

Rich Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:06am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 916836)
They're also ladies, but that's apparently offensive.

I swear, this sounds like it's born from the idea that calling them ladies is somehow a slight to them as basketball players. I call the boys "gentlemen" and nobody would ever bat an eye at that. OK, maybe someone did (above).

In our world, it's no different than how the term "3-man" ended up being 3-person or, laughingly, "3-whistle" even when we clearly included both male and female officials in the discussion.

Those easily offended will find a way to succeed no matter what you do, I suppose.

SNIPERBBB Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:14am

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Originally Posted by shavano (Post 916844)
Can you say "y'all" with a northeastern accent? ;)

I believe its "you'uns" in NE.

DRJ1960 Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:55am

I was taught to call the "players" :) "ladies" in the hopes that they will rise to meet the expectation.....

Adam Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:33pm

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 916854)
I believe its "you'uns" in NE.

Thought it was "yous", pronounced "yehs".


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