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No, the young ref isn't me - DUH! It's one of the HS kids that works my rec league. He has officiated only one season, so I thought this was a pretty good question to come from such an inexperienced ref. Here it is:
A1 is holding the ball in frontcourt. He is being guarded by B1, who has the heel of one of his feet on the OOB line. A1 pivots and steps on the toe of B1's foot (the one that is touching OOB) with his non-pivot foot. If B1's foot was not in the way, A1 would not be touching OOB. What is the call, if any? |
No call. You have to touch the floor or an object OOB to be OOB.The defensive player is a "player",not an "object",so the play continues. There's a casebook play somewhere in R7 about this. If the offensive player touches the defensive player with the ball,though,then the ball is OOB off of the defensive player.A1 gets the ball for a throw-in,in this case.This is also in the casebook in R7 someplace too.
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Must not have looked hard, Jurassic - the reference here is 7.1.1(A) and 7.1.2(B).
Other than that, a good answer (as usual) from an old ref. :p |
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Guys - thanks for staying on topic. Yeah, I should talk.
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Lets tweak this play. Instead of A1's foot touching B1's foot, what do we have if any part of B1 touches the ball while A1 is holding the ball? |
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Where it touches B1 doesn't matter - just as long as he touches it. |
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You should be ashamed of yourself, Tony! [/B][/QUOTE] Well, as long as we're playing 'pass the blame,' it really wasn't me who posted the grammatically incorrect version of a Monty Python paraphrase. While the matter is still under investigation, I suspect that Juulie stole my password and posted that so that she could be known as the sole grammar Nazi of the board. |
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Ha..Ha..Ha Ha Hahahaha..Take this Mark Dexter, you Tyro, you NeoPhyte -- can you tell off the top of your head the Plu-Perfect Subjunctive of the verb, to screw? Can you spot the five run-on sentences in Dickens' Bleak House? Can you recite the longest sentence in the English language in which all grammar rules of the author's contemporaries were strictly observed? I didn't think so. No one will ever understand these things after I'm gone.. it's all so unfair... Okay... I'll go quietly; I'm so sorry, so sorry, I never meant to hurt anyone. Dexter, just remember: the slavish avoidance of the gerund clause is the most telling mark of a student. And remember who taught you that... ...and someone please send tapes of the women's NCAA final four. I'll miss you all so much.. [Edited by rainmaker on Aug 12th, 2003 at 03:10 PM] |
I saw Juulie this past Saturday. She definitely is off her meds.
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[/B][/QUOTE]Concensus??? Mr.Spelling's head just exploded! |
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Dexter -- If all i have to do to get an all-expense paid trip to a tropical island, is act like I'm off my meds for a few minutes -- hey, here I go: http://members.lycos.nl/smilieweb1/smilies/Happy23.gif |
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I just don't think the word has a hyphen in it. [/B][/QUOTE]Well,you're one up on me,Bob. I hadda go look the word up to find out where it actually came from. :D As for the hyphen, I have the utmost confidence that Juulie will post something that will back up her usage of it. I am also confident that I probably won't understand her post when she does so. |
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1) I intentionally make at least one error in most of my posts (a) so you won't think I'm perfect, and (b) to give the grammar and spelling nazis something to do 2) "From whence" is, in my experience, the more common, and acceptable (even if not "more correct") usage. Common english usage contains many repeated redundancies. |
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Avoid superfluous, repetative, redundancies like the plague!
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"I'm not repeating myself! I'm not repeating myself! Oh, God. I'm repeating myself" Ryan O'Neal in one of the funniest slapsticks ever, "What's Up, Doc?".
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Or else you may be called a "battologist"! Or else you may be called a "battologist"! ad infinitum............................. [Edited by Jurassic Referee on Aug 14th, 2003 at 12:22 PM] |
For those wondering.....
battologist \Bat*tol"o*gist\, n. One who battologizes. Glad I could help. |
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Back to original question
What happens if B1 has fallen down and his shorts are on OOB line? Then A1 who is inbounds steps on shorts of B1? Is the shorts an object or part of the player?
Ok and now for the non serious part if the shorts are part of the player? What happens in the case where A1 steps on the shoe of B1. The shoe comes off B1 but A1 is still on the shoe and the shoe is touching OOB. |
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As for the hyphen, I have the utmost confidence that Juulie will post something that will back up her usage of it. I am also confident that I probably won't understand her post when she does so. [/B][/QUOTE] It was a typo... No wait... I put in the hyphen in, because I figured no one would understand if I didn't. Yea, that's it, you're all a bunch of cretins... No wait, that's not nice. Okay, uh, let's see... oh, yeah, hyphenating the non-syllabic glottal stop is recommended when the speech sounds are more evocative than the air flow of the scintvillication parabola. Take that Dexter, you greenhorn!! |
Admit it, Jewel, that the hyphen was added because we are dashing.
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ok now I am confused....whos welcome is it anyway???
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Actually, which is worse -- baiting the grammar police, or JOINING them?!?!
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For example, here is the above paragraph without the translator: Lil' Missie, i caint join up wif 'em if i was aimin' to. If'n you remember, i's from Kaintuck. i gots to put my words through one of them fancy space machines so you'uns can no wut i'm a sayin. |
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