Post contact (video)

[JetMetFan]

I thought these were interesting because they took place back-to-back. Thoughts?

[zm1283]

Waldo from St. Mary's picked up another one of his fouls (I'm pretty sure it was the 10:54 mark in the second half if you can pull the video) where he was completely vertical. It was less off a foul than either of these two plays.

[Sharpshooternes]

1. Minimal contact. All created by the ball handler. Basket goes. I got nuttin.
2. Minimal? contact all created by the defender moving into the ball handler. Missed shot. FTs. If this basket goes though, I have nothing. JMO.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

1. Minimal contact. All created by the ball handler. Basket goes. I got nuttin.
2. Minimal? contact all created by the defender moving into the ball handler. Missed shot. FTs. If this basket goes though, I have nothing. JMO.

I hope I won't be the only one to tell you this, but this is a bad way to officiate. If it's a foul, just call it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I hope I won't the only one to tell you this, but this is a bad way to officiate. If it's a foul, just call it.

Agreed, and I think officiating is moving away from this. I haven't watched the video, but I don't base my call on wehther the basket went in.

If the contact is both illegal and makes the shot noticeably more difficult, it's a foul, IMO. Whether it goes in is immaterial.

[zm1283]

And you're penalizing the offense sometimes when they make the shot even though they were illegally contacted.

[TriggerMN]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I hope I won't be the only one to tell you this, but this is a bad way to officiate. If it's a foul, just call it.

Tell that to the NBA guys.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by TriggerMN

Tell that to the NBA guys.

Okay?

None of us (That I know of) work NBA games, so it isn't really relevant right now.

[Raymond]

Both plays ruled correctly IMO.

1) B1 was legal, and contact initiated by A1 caused B1 to bend over.

2) B1 still moving into A1 when A1 begins upward motion.

[bainsey]

Legal on the first, blocking foul on the second (though pushing works here, too).

[JugglingReferee]

Two correct calls.

Nothing in play 1, and a defensive blocking foul in play 2.

No foul in play 1 as contact was created by Team A.

Foul in play 2 because at the time of contact, Team B was moving forward.

[Blindolbat]

I agree with everyone, but what looks funny is the message that's sent by the initial mechanics used by the official on play #2. He clearly is not calling a push or a block. His motion indicates he's calling a foul because the defenders arms were not vertical.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Blindolbat

I agree with everyone, but what looks funny is the message that's sent by the initial mechanics used by the official on play #2. He clearly is not calling a push or a block. His motion indicates he's calling a foul because the defenders arms were not vertical.

The defender did move his arms forward. And forward enough to be beyond vertical in my book. However, the illegal contact for me is with the body.

[maroonx]

1. Nothing
2. Foul on #15 White. That must be called to get it out the game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by maroonx

1. Nothing
2. Foul on #15 White. That must be called to get it out the game.

#15? He missed. What exactly is it that you want to get out of the game?