Possession of Ball to Travel?
Question: A1 has the ball secured between his legs. Is this considered possession for the purposes of:
1) Ability to call time-out? 2) Fall down and be called for a travel? Responses and rule references for that constitutes possession are appreciated. |
Well, according to NFHS 9-4 a player shall not intentionally kick the ball.
According to NFHS 4-29, kicking is intentionally striking the ball with any part of the leg or foot. If a player attempts to control the ball with his/her leg or foot that would seem to be an intentional act, so... Travel = no. Kicked ball = yes. That pretty much renders the time out & control portions of the question moot. |
I think there's even a case on this -- or maybe the case is only NCAAW.
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IMHO....no possession so no travel / and no ability to call T.O. ! Hope someone else can find a case instance for this. Thanks for the comments.... |
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Kicking the Ball
A.R. 196. A1 is on the floor with the ball lodged between the upper part of the legs. B1 attempts to gain possession of the ball by placing two hands firmly on the ball; however, A1 applies vice-like force with the upper legs, which prevents B1 from gaining possession of the ball. RULING: A1 has committed a kicking violation. Kicking the ball is defined as striking the ball intentionally with any part of the leg. The intent of this rule is to prevent a player from gaining an advantage by using any part of the leg. Since A1 was not holding the ball in his hands, B1’s firm placement of his hands on the ball does not constitute a held ball. |
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Thanks Gents for all of the rule and case book references. As usual the cooperation here is quite huge - much appreciated !
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays ! |
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It is the same in NCAA-M. I posted the same case book play above and it came from men's side. |
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If the ball went from no control to being between legs, I've still got no control. If the ball was controlled, and a player put the ball between his legs (and was not being defended) so he could free his hands to call time out, I'm thinking we should not pick nits and give him the time out. |
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Also, there’s the first line in the NFHS definition of player control (4-12-1): A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball. Holding implies using one’s hands or arms. You really can’t “hold” something with your legs or feet. |
Climb Ev'ry Mountain (The Sound of Music, Rodgers and Hammerstein, 1959) ...
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Not insisting I'm right here at all. Just saying this version of trying to talk me out of it didn't work. :) |
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The ball is meant to be played with the hands. The deliberate use of the legs/feet to hold, deflect, manipulate, etc. the ball is not consistent with the game. Even if there isn't anything spelled out in the rules about it, I think it is pretty say to say that it is not legal to grip the ball between your feet/legs. |
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