Possession of Ball to Travel?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think there's even a case on this -- or maybe the case is only NCAAW.

It's in NCAAW. Scenario is different but the logic behind the ruling is explained.

A.R. 196. A1 is on the floor with the ball lodged between the upper part of the legs. B1 attempts to gain possession of the ball by placing two hands firmly on the ball; however, A1 applies vice-like force with the upper legs, which prevents B1 from gaining possession of the ball.

RULING: A1 has committed a kicking violation. Kicking the ball is defined as striking the ball intentionally with any part of the leg. The intent of this rule is to prevent a player from gaining an advantage by using any part of the leg. Since A1 was not holding the ball in her hands, B1’s firm placement of her hands on the ball does not constitute a held ball. (Rule 9-7.2)

The OP in this thread has A1 standing - at least in scenario #2. If A1 is standing there’s a better than average chance (s)he is applying force to keep the ball where it is.