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Toren Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:24pm

Simultaneous Timeouts
 
Had a situation last night where player A1 was about to attempt his first free throw of 2. Before the first one, Coach A tells me I want a timeout if he makes the second one. I tell him, no problem Coach, "signal it when he makes it for me"

He makes the 1st free throw. Before the second free throw, I hear behind me Coach B yelling "Give me a timeout if he makes the second" I turn around and say "Signal it if he makes it"

Of course he makes it. Sure enough both coaches have their hands in the air, both are above their heads, calling a timeout. My partner, who is the R, wants to just give it to one team, but I tell him we can't ignore their obvious signals and by rule they are both charged with a time out.

After the game, my mentor compared it to a multiple foul, he said just pick the team who called it first and go with that. What say everyone? Is that a good analogy?

bob jenkins Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:39pm

2010-11 Interps:

SITUATION 5: Team A scores a field goal. A1 requests a time-out from the lead official at the exact same time that the head coach from Team B requests a time-out from the trail official. RULING: Both teams are charged a time-out. If both request a 30-second time-out, the time-out duration shall be 30 seconds. If one team requests a 60-second time-out and the other a 30, the duration shall be 60 seconds. Once a time-out is requested and granted, it shall not be revoked. (5-8-3b)

(In practice, I agree with your mentor, though.)

johnny d Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:41pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 914717)

(In practice, I agree with your mentor, though.)


I like charging them both. One less TO that can be used later in the game.

Rob1968 Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:57pm

2013-2015 Officials Manual p.39 2.4.4 Time-outs:
A. General Provisions:
11. If opponents simultaneously request a time-out during a dead ball, charge a time-out to each (or better, hear or see one request before the other).

HokiePaul Tue Dec 17, 2013 01:05pm

If you are going to have a simultaneous timeout, this is about the perfect situation in my opinion because you are certain that both were requested at the same time (as soon as the basket was made).

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 17, 2013 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 914721)
If you are going to have a simultaneous timeout, this is about the perfect situation in my opinion because you are certain that both were requested at the same time (as soon as the basket was made).

I agree. In the normal course of the game, "simultaneous" timeouts are not really simultaneous and I would agree with the mentor above who said give it to the one you saw first.

In THIS case, both warned you and both probably had their hands up before the basket - by definition both are at the same exact time. Simultaneous - charge to both.

SCalScoreKeeper Tue Dec 17, 2013 01:18pm

Had a coach between foul shots in a varsity boys tournament game use all 5 of his timeouts with 0.1 left on the clock and his team ahead 1.never seen that before.

Sharpshooternes Wed Dec 18, 2013 02:55am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 914717)
2010-11 Interps:

SITUATION 5: Team A scores a field goal. A1 requests a time-out from the lead official at the exact same time that the head coach from Team B requests a time-out from the trail official. RULING: Both teams are charged a time-out. If both request a 30-second time-out, the time-out duration shall be 30 seconds. If one team requests a 60-second time-out and the other a 30, the duration shall be 60 seconds. Once a time-out is requested and granted, it shall not be revoked. (5-8-3b)

(In practice, I agree with your mentor, though.)

Bob, in this situation who are you going to charge if you are only going to charge one timeout? What is your thinking on this? sure I think in most situations, see and grant one before the other. But this is about as perfect as you can get for the case play to handle fairly IMO.

bob jenkins Wed Dec 18, 2013 08:47am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 914827)
Bob, in this situation who are you going to charge if you are only going to charge one timeout? What is your thinking on this? sure I think in most situations, see and grant one before the other. But this is about as perfect as you can get for the case play to handle fairly IMO.

Whichever one asked me first (or if it's a blow-out, the team that's ahead).


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