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ddn Sun Dec 15, 2013 06:55pm

Checking the Book
 
What do you do when you "check the book"?

johnny d Sun Dec 15, 2013 06:56pm

Depends on whether or not the scorekeeper is a hot teacher or not.

JRutledge Sun Dec 15, 2013 06:59pm

I check the number of players, the starters and make sure I cannot see any duplicate numbers.

Peace

bob jenkins Sun Dec 15, 2013 07:03pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 914477)
I check the number of players, the starters and make sure I cannot see any duplicate numbers.

Peace

Ditto. But, I have to admit I'm not really good at doing the last of those.

JRutledge Sun Dec 15, 2013 07:18pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 914479)
Ditto. But, I have to admit I'm not really good at doing the last of those.

I did not say I was successful at that one. But I do try. :D

Peace

BillyMac Sun Dec 15, 2013 07:55pm

Easy Peasey Lemon Squezzy ...
 
I make sure that there aren't more players warming up than there are in the book, and that the starters have been noted. I also look for illegal numbers, and duplicate numbers. Finally I make sure that my name, and my partner's name, are written in the book.

ddn Sun Dec 15, 2013 08:21pm

What if there are more warming up than in the book?

JRutledge Sun Dec 15, 2013 08:23pm

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Originally Posted by ddn (Post 914497)
What if there are more warming up than in the book?

Check with the coach and see if the numbers they have listed are correct. Not much else you can do until the a player comes into the game that is not listed.

Peace

bainsey Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:03pm

The most important thing is, I make sure the number of players in the book is not less than the number of players on the floor. If there are more in the book than warming up, no harm done. I'll glance at numbers, because every so often, something funky shows up (like numbers 6-9, a few weeks ago).

zm1283 Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:34pm

When I first started working basketball, which wasn't all that long ago, I was taught that you count the players on your end of the court and let the R know so he can compare that number to what is in the book. Then the R can look at the number of players on the roster, starters, duplicate numbers, etc. I mentioned this in another thread, but a majority of guys I work with now simply pick the book up and have each coach check it and don't count players or anything. I don't really care for this approach because even if the coach checks the book, he is not responsible for the scorer copying names and numbers correctly.

Adam Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:44pm

I count the players, then make sure there are at least as many names in the book as players on the floor for each team.

Then I draw a line under the last name (if there's less than 15) to make sure there aren't any additions made, and I initial that line.

Then I sign the book.

Raymond Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:43am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 914493)
I make sure that there aren't more players warming up than there are in the book, and that the starters have been noted. I also look for illegal numbers, and duplicate numbers. Finally I make sure that my name, and my partner's name, are written in the book.

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Originally Posted by ddn (Post 914497)
What if there are more warming up than in the book?

Have the official scorer check the roster that was given to her, as happened in my first game of the season. As soon as she saw the V book, she said she screwed up in transcribing the names. She fixed it, and we moved on.

Raymond Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:45am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 914523)
I count the players, then make sure there are at least as many names in the book as players on the floor for each team.

Then I draw a line under the last name (if there's less than 15) to make sure there aren't any additions made, and I initial that line.

<s>Then I sign the book.</s>

Great minds almost think completely alike.

Adam Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:50am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 914533)
Great minds almost think completely alike.

Yeah, I do it that way because it's expected here. I don't see the point, personally.

Lemme ask, do you "Z" it out, like on a 1297?

grunewar Mon Dec 16, 2013 05:18am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 914493)
Finally I make sure that my name, and my partner's name(s), are written in the book.

Required for us.

Raymond Mon Dec 16, 2013 06:55am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 914535)
Yeah, I do it that way because it's expected here. I don't see the point, personally.

Lemme ask, do you "Z" it out, like on a 1297?

Haha, exactly what I do and where I got it from. And I write my dates 16 Dec 13.

BillyMac Mon Dec 16, 2013 07:13am

Don't Make Me Take Off My Black Belt ...
 
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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 914546)
Required for us.

Do I need to start saying shut up to someone other than Mark Padgett, and Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

BatteryPowered Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:30am

We were taught...

Count players on your side of court during warm-up and give the count to the R.

Make sure that if the number of names IS DIFFERENT than the number of players warming up the coach is aware. There may be players that are missing for various reasons and the coach us just using the same player list each game.

Make sure starters are marked.

Draw a line after the last name on each side and initial.

Have HC review the book (and mark starters if they are not) and sign the book to singnify they have reviewed it.

rockyroad Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:02am

Is there a reason so many of us posting here say they look at the players names?

I check that there are numbers next to each line, and check a few on the court to make sure they match, but don't pay any attention to the names. Don't think I know the names of any of the players anyway.

JMUplayer Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:13am

Best story with checking the book was... long time coach in the area 20+ years... have good repoire with him... No starterr marked in the book at the 10 minute mark and his team is in the locker room.
So i marked 5 names for him...

I made sure we visited early around the 3 minute mark and said coach i have good news and bad news.... i'll even give you the good and bad news together
We are not going to start the game with a technical foul but you might not like who your starters are. He immediately realized what he hadn't done and said thank you my mistake.

SCalScoreKeeper Mon Dec 16, 2013 04:08pm

I carry varsity rosters for our entire league in a binder.When the varsity coaches arrive I give each of them a copy of the roster they have submitted online to maxpreps.I ask them to verify the information is correct and make any additions/subtractions/corrections on the sheet,then copy it in the book.During halftime of the girls game I start prep for the boys game.

Adam Mon Dec 16, 2013 04:15pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 914570)
Is there a reason so many of us posting here say they look at the players names?

I check that there are numbers next to each line, and check a few on the court to make sure they match, but don't pay any attention to the names. Don't think I know the names of any of the players anyway.

Who said they're checking names?

rockyroad Mon Dec 16, 2013 04:32pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 914626)
Who said they're checking names?

Hmmm...made me go back and reread a little more carefully. Guess everyone was saying things like "the number of names" and I just read "names".

Stupid Evelyn Wood speed reading courses.

Adam Mon Dec 16, 2013 05:44pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 914633)
Hmmm...made me go back and reread a little more carefully. Guess everyone was saying things like "the number of names" and I just read "names".

Stupid Evelyn Wood speed reading courses.

It might help if you could see over the desk.

rockyroad Mon Dec 16, 2013 05:47pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 914642)
It might help if you could see over the desk.

Shut up!:D

Stat-Man Mon Dec 16, 2013 09:14pm

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Originally Posted by JMUplayer (Post 914571)
Best story with checking the book was... long time coach in the area 20+ years... have good repoire with him... No starterr marked in the book at the 10 minute mark and his team is in the locker room.
So i marked 5 names for him...

Had something similar happen years ago at a small college national tournament. Team A's coach never designated a starting lineup, so the officials told the scorer to mark off the first five names as starters. I think 2 or 3 of the players actually saw their first and only time on the floor during the tournament int hat game. :D


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