Scorer behavior
 

Varsity game. Player A1 is fouled hard and injured. His father is the home scorer. The scorer leaves his post and comes onto the floor to check on his son. As he does so he yells at and berates the officials.

Do you:

Remove him?

Remove him and eject him?

Technical foul against the home team?

Any combo of the above?

If this is a youth level game, I remove him and alert game management immediately to minimize the odds of any further antics.

It was a varsity game.

I'm telling game mgmt we need a new scorer, and I'm asking game mgmt to have him removed from the gym.

If his comments were loud enough for all to hear...there's really no choice. He has to leave. If the comments were not heard by all...I might try to find a way for him to stay...it depends on his demeanor.

It's a shame the evening had to go SO bad for the guy. But he kind'a brought it on himself.

If he's quiet he might get to stay in the gym. No way he stays at the table.

Oh absolutely...that's what I meant. Thanks for pointing that out so I could clarify.

What Adam said…he might be able to stay in the gym. There’s no way he’s staying at the table.


Regarding this idea – remember, the scorer and timer(s) are table officials. They’re not bench personnel. They work with/for us.

Replace him...

"You are now a fan sir...go yell all you want in the stands."

No technical foul. But he certainly gets removed from the table. As for removal from the gym... nah. Let him be a fan and yell at me like the other fans do. :rolleyes:

At my association meeting several members said "you can't tech a member of the officiating crew!"

Question
 

why is a parent of a player working the score anyway just curious but to answer the question he's my number 1 fan now cheer me on.

A lot of times the scorers will be parents of one player or another.

??????
 

does happen probably but should that be the case on a varsity level i wouldnt allow it honestly

You're going to start quizzing all the table personnel to see if they have a kid on the team and have them removed if they do? (I must be misreading your post)

This. There is no way he should stay at the table.

Under what grounds would you not allow it? We don't get to vet the table personnel. If they're being a problem, have them replaced otherwise why trouble trouble?

How are you going to not allow it?

First, how would you possibly even know (without asking) if the scorer is the parent of a team member? Then what? You go seek out game management to tell them that you want the scorer removed from the table?

Curious as to why you would even think going down that road?

Talk about looking for trouble.

quizzing
 

Its not a quiz by far plus there is nothing to study or no multiple choice if you were an opposing coach would you want the star players dad from the other team keeping the offcial book just my opinion and say that because its only one official book correct

1. It happens all the time, even at the varsity level, for a few reasons.
a. Some schools just can't get any volunteers that don't have some connection to the team.
b. They don't really care.
c. Does it really matter if it's the guy's son, nephew, grandson, or daughter's boyfriend on the team?

2. There's also a visitor's book at the table to match up with. If it becomes clear that the home scorer is cooking the books, toss him and switch books.

3. I have never, ever, had a problem.

Commas, periods, and capitalization are your friends - got no idea what you're saying here. Sorry.

Deal with improper score keeping when it happens. The visitor's should be keeping their own book, especially at the varsity level. Cases of intentional cheating by the scorer are probably so rare that if they were a steak, it'd still be alive.

If you want to take it that far, would the opposing coach even want someone from the home school working the table? How about someone from the surrounding area that might have some ties with the school?

There's a reason both books are located at the table near enough other and that officials will make sure both books are matching w/their information at the end of quarters. There's also a reason that the rules gives the officials the authority to designate the other book as the official or remove the old scorer IF that issue arrises. But I would say that at the varsity level, scorers, no matter their allegiances, tend to be pretty professional in carrying out their duties.

You have no say in who the school hires to do their table duties...unless/until there is a problem like the one in the OP.

At one school I used to work regularly, the scorer's husband was the AC and eventually the HC. Once when he was still an AC, I gave a stern warning to the HC about his assistant's behavior. At the end of the quarter when I came to the table, she told me her husband deserved that warning...LOL

About 5 years ago or so, we had an official give the home team a technical foul because the official scorer waved him off and told him his call was terrible while reporting a foul. Partners tried to talk him out of calling the foul and told him that official scorer is not part of either team and cannot be charged with a T. He refused to listen and ended up having to T the home team coach as well. Needless to say, that was the last HS game that guy ever worked.

This. He doesn't get "rewarded" by being able to watch the game now. He gets to leave the facility.

Have had a significant incident with a scorer one time in 28 years. First call I made against the home team when I went to report it she was squawking about the call just like everybody else in the bleachers around her. I'm not a finger in the face kind of guy normally, but it was called for here. I got really close and cut her off in mid-sentence. "Lady, you are not going to sit at this table and call the game. Do you understand that?" She turned six shades of red and spent the rest of the night apologizing to me.

Great
 

Wow I see the peanut gallery has arrived its amazing how some can bash others based solely on their opinions when you have your own as the old saying goes to each its own

This is a discussion board that hinges on discussing opinions amongst other things. If you give your opinion, then you should know fully well that you open up yourself to others critiquing your opinion.

Opinions aren't necessary equal. And punctuation would certainly help your presentation.

If a foul was called why was his beef with you unless he wanted a flagarant.

A lot of coaches and fans seem to think we have the magical ability to keep players from getting hurt.

Some "fans" think that if players get hurt/injured, it's because the officials didn't do their jobs.

What's The Matter With Kids Today ???
 

When my daughter emails me, her emails lack capital letters. I wish that she would get that shift key fixed on her keyboard.

Since we have decide to become grammar police I might suggest to you that starting a sentence with a conjunction is not the best way to tell someone their punctuation is lacking. While not strictly forbidden, it is considered acceptable only in informal written communication.

Since when are we formal here?

We are, however, a step above ten-year-olds text messaging. I hope.

And that "rule" has largely been put to rest. :D

Perhaps we are not that formal. It is still ironic to point out another's lack of grammar using sentence structure that isn't widely accepted.

I'll point out that this is merely your opinion.

You'd have a good point if your assertion about its acceptance were actually correct.

Next time you are writing a report at work, a cover letter for a new job, or anything else that requires a degree of professionalism, go ahead and start sentences with coordinating conjunctions and see how it works out for you. Doing so is a grammatical trick that should be used judiciously and is really only effective in narratives and story telling.

Or internet boards. Punctuation still helps - even if it's not correct - with readability. Rich's point is still valid. I'm not sure what yours is.

Someone once told me never to end a sentence with a preposition. I told them prepositions are not things I end sentences with! :)

Sorry, already do most of those things...and not one person cares.

I doubt I could find one person that matters that actually cares anything about a preposition at the beginning of a sentence. There would be very few jobs that depend on rigid academic grammar that would be worth having. Most intelligent hiring managers care about how well you might actually do the job, not some archaic grammar rule.

Lost In Space ...
 

Since we're nitpicking, we can tell the age of posters on the Forum by how many spaces they place after a period at the end of a sentence. Old timers like me, who learned to type on a typewriter (look it up younguns, or watch for one on Antiques Roadshow) were taught to hit the space bar twice after the period at the end of a sentence. Forum members who grew up during the digital age, and learned to "type" on a keyboard, are taught to only hit the space bar once after the period at the end of a sentence, which is now considered the accepted practice.

The web is informal, we are not writing dissertations. However, even informal writing requires punctuation and capitalization.

Are We Using A Blue Font For Sarcastic Posts ???
 

NFHS editor? Those that write the "User's Manual" for products that are made in China?

FIFY.

Just to join in on what seems to be an amazing morning of off topic posts and pointless bickering.

And, I am not making any claim that my grammar and spelling is worthy of even a passing grade in a JH English class.

Correct Spelling And Grammar Guy ???
 

It's still better than many of us.

This depends on which writing style you're using. Chicago uses one space, for example. Others use two. I had a crappy time editing my Chicago Style papers for this reason.

Reminds me of a story...

There once was a guy who asked his mechanic, "where is my car at?"

The mechanic replied, "Sir, you do not end sentences with a preposition."

The inquiring guy said, "Ok... where is my car at, A$$hole?" :D

Dang it, Billy! Thanks for placing me squarely in the "old timers" category! :)

Put me in that category. I am 35 but I learned on a typewriter and I still double space after a period.

Try being married to a HS English teacher. And having her correct me all the time for starting sentences with conjunctions. But I just shrug and keep on. Or ending sentences with a preposition. For that matter, forgetting to capitalize often gets me in trouble. Nor does that faze me. Yet I struggle on.

Did I get all the conjunctions?

When I'm consoling those who make grammar mistakes, I often give them a hug and say "There, their, they're."

Fragment... :p

"While not strictly forbidden" is a passive transition. Tighten this up. :p

One should avoid the passive voice as much as possible. :p

I'm not sure if you know this or not, but vBulletin removes the superfluous space. Go ahead, edit your post and see how many spaces there are from the period to the first letter of the next sentence.

And (yes, I did this on purpose) johnny d, feel free to continue being a jerk. The guy's posts are virtually unreadable and, yet, here you are defending him by trying to make some obscure point with me. I'd actually like to hear what the guy has to say, but I'm not going to bother trying to translate his text-speak into English. And I'm being nice by assuming it's just text speak, because the alternative...

(Why is it when I text someone I still manage to find the shift key and the punctuation?)

Thanks for granting me permission to continue being a jerk. I am quite sure I would have done so regardless.

If you want to consider facts, I have one that you failed to notice even though it is not obscure. I did not ever defend anyone's poor grammar. I will be nice and assume that you weren't thinking clearly at the time you made that statement because the alternative........

Looks like the asshats are coming out of the stands early this season.

OP's question answered...check

Bonus grammar lesson...check

Think we're done here.

Added by Rich:

Not quite, APG.

Deflecting my choice to ask him to write something readable by ripping apart my (considerably better) grammar is, in effect, defending him.

Now you can lock the thread. Sheesh.