Game Situation

[habram]

In the Second Qtr ,the table notifies us that a player has the wrong number
on the losing team

the score is 44 to 2

What would you do?

By the way the final score was 85 -15 ( The winning team did not shoot the ball in the 4th Qtr )

[Moosie74]

Enforce the rules as written. Prevents leaving the next crew from having to clean up your mess. If they get away with it tonight, and they do it again tomorrow it doesn't look good on any official.

[deecee]

I would enforce the rule at the HS level in this situation. Lower level I may be inclined to tell the offending coach of the error and the penalty, but I may also enforce it then. It all depends.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Moosie74

Enforce the rules as written. Prevents leaving the next crew from having to clean up your mess. If they get away with it tonight, and they do it again tomorrow it doesn't look good on any official.

Agreed. If the winning coach doesn't want the penalty, s/he can instruct the team to miss the FTs and inbound the ball to the other team.

[hoopsaddict]

When did the table notify you of the wrong number? Was the ball live?

[habram]

we were notified after a foul , the player was a substitute that had come into the game , and later comitted a foul

[Adam]

The T is charged when they make the change to the book. The status of the ball (live or dead) makes no difference. 99% of the time, it'll be dead when they tell you.

[Raymond]

Before issuing any T's, first verify what number the offending team provided to the scorer. Maybe it was transcribed incorrectly.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Before issuing any T's, first verify what number the offending team provided to the scorer. Maybe it was transcribed incorrectly.

Good point.

When administrative infractions occur, officials must be prepared to deal with them, and penalize them, in the proper manner, within the proper time frame.
Many administrative infractions can involve the scorebook and rosters. If a team requires a player to change to a number in the official scorebook after the ten minute time limit, then a team technical foul is charged. A maximum of one team technical foul is charged regardless of the number of players, and substitutes, not wearing the number indicated in the official scorebook. Each player must wear the number indicated in the official scorebook, or change the official scorebook number to that which the player is wearing. Any additional substitutes who become players and require the changing of the number indicated for them in the official scorebook will not result in a penalty, as the one maximum technical has already been charged to the team for this administrative infraction. If there is no request for change, or if the team member does not become a player, thus avoiding the change, there is no penalty.

Three scorebook situations: adding a name to the team roster, changing a name or a number in the official scorebook, and/or having a player change a uniform number, are penalized with a team technical foul when they occur, after the ten minute time limit. These infractions occur when the scorer is advised to add to or change the official scorebook. The foul must be charged when it occurs and enforced when the ball next becomes live. Once the ball becomes live, after such changes have been made to the scorebook, it is too late to penalize. Remember, the ball becomes live when: on a jump ball, the tossed ball leaves the referee’s hand; on a throw-in, it is at the disposal of the thrower; and on a free throw, it is at the disposal of the free thrower.

After the ten minute time limit a team is charged with a maximum of one technical foul regardless of how many infractions of the following are committed: changing a designated starter, adding a name to the team member list, requiring the scorer to change a team member’s or player’s number in the scorebook, requiring a player to change to the number in the scorebook, and/or having identical numbers on team members and/or players. Each player must wear the number indicated in the scorebook, or change the official scorebook number to that the player is wearing. Any additional substitutes who become players and require the changing of the number indicated for them in the official scorebook will not result in a penalty, as the one maximum technical has already been charged to the team for that team’s administrative infraction

[habram]

There is a situation when a Tecnical is not given for changing the name of a starter. If the coach says that the player is / was sick

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by habram

There is a situation when a Technical is not given for changing the name of a starter. If the coach says that the player is / was sick

Substitutes are also legally allowed to shoot technical foul free throws, in place of starters, to start a game (dunking during warmups, pregame scorebook issues, etc.)

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Adam

The T is charged when they make the change to the book. The status of the ball (live or dead) makes no difference. 99% of the time, it'll be dead when they tell you.

What happens when the official scorer makes the change and doesn't alert the officials until halftime? She "didn't want to interrupt the flow of the game."

Do we penalize when discovered then?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rooster

What happens when the official scorer makes the change and doesn't alert the officials until halftime? She "didn't want to interrupt the flow of the game."

Do we penalize when discovered then?

The rule says "penalized when it occurs". If it occurs and the ball becomes live -- it's too late.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The rule says "penalized when it occurs". If it occurs and the ball becomes live -- it's too late.

Has anyone had to deal with some home cookin' in this situation? Seems like the potential is there...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Before issuing any T's, first verify what number the offending team provided to the scorer. Maybe it was transcribed incorrectly.

Speaking of.

Go to check the book after the 10:00 mark before the game. Notice only 9 players in visitors' line up, but 10 players on the court. Home scorer had skipped over a name when transcribing the line up.