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[just another ref]

1:50 of the second half. Somebody want to tell me he had not "completed the gather" before he lifted the pivot (right foot) and returned it to the floor. 360 spin that starts with one or both feet on the floor, and ends with both feet on the floor 5 feet away. I don't have to see the play. It's impossible to do this without traveling.

[Raymond]

Any worse than the missed travel calls in the Georgia HS video?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Any worse than the missed travel calls in the Georgia HS video?

Worse than some.......as bad as any.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by just another ref

1:50 of the second half. Somebody want to tell me he had not "completed the gather" before he lifted the pivot (right foot) and returned it to the floor. 360 spin that starts with one or both feet on the floor, and ends with both feet on the floor 5 feet away. I don't have to see the play. It's impossible to do this without traveling.

And it gets more common with each passing year. I can't get my partners to call it in HS games…probably because D1 guys let it go on a consistent basis.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

And it gets more common with each passing year. I can't get my partners to call it in HS games…probably because D1 guys let it go on a consistent basis.

This has been a meeting emphasis around here, so it gets called. Every time? No, but it does get called.

[JetMetFan]

Here's the play...

[OKREF]

Travel

What's the odds that one person says it isn't?

[Adam]

Travel

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Travel

What's the odds that one person says it isn't?

I have better odds that people like yourself will say you would have gotten this without a doubt better than the guys that actually were on the game. It is a travel and it is a tough get at full speed. I have less problem with this travel missed than plays that I see missed that are much easier at the high school level. But I digress.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

1:50 of the second half. Somebody want to tell me he had not "completed the gather" before he lifted the pivot (right foot) and returned it to the floor. 360 spin that starts with one or both feet on the floor, and ends with both feet on the floor 5 feet away. I don't have to see the play. It's impossible to do this without traveling.

All he had to do was release the pass before the right foot returned to the floor and it would've been perfectly legal. And that's the rub -- you have to know the right's the pivot and have to see it come back to the floor.

I call it when I see it. But I have to know which foot is the pivot foot (as always) and have to see it come back to the floor. I've heard other officials say, "that spin move is a travel 100% of the time, so I just call it" and that's the justification. That's worse than missing the travel, IMO.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

I have to know which foot is the pivot foot (as always) and have to see it come back to the floor. I've heard other officials say, "that spin move is a travel 100% of the time, so I just call it" and that's the justification. That's worse than missing the travel.

When asked about the most difficult calls in basketball, many officials will point to the block/charge. Others will talk about game management, and interactions with coaches. The answer is easy for me, traveling. Sometimes it's difficult to spot, and keep track of, the pivot foot, especially when the official is on the run. There are no easy words of wisdom, or reminders, to help one make the correct travel, or no travel, call, other than to just keep track of the pivot foot. It's difficult to do properly, but that's why we get paid the big bucks, to use our good judgment to do, properly, what we are trained to do.

Note: Big bucks here in The Constitution State is $91.32. Eat your heart out guys.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

All he had to do was release the pass before the right foot returned to the floor and it would've been perfectly legal.

True, but he didn't. It was not even close.

I call it when I see it. But I have to know which foot is the pivot foot (as always) and have to see it come back to the floor. I've heard other officials say, "that spin move is a travel 100% of the time, so I just call it" and that's the justification. That's worse than missing the travel, IMO.

Calling one that's not there is worse than missing one. I think practically everyone agrees on that. But is calling one incorrectly as bad as missing ten? I don't think so, and I think the ratio of ten to one may be conservative.
Somebody find/post an incorrectly called travel in an NCAA game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Calling one that's not there is worse than missing one. I think practically everyone agrees on that.

Count me in with everyone. How's that for taking a hard stand?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

All he had to do was release the pass before the right foot returned to the floor and it would've been perfectly legal. And that's the rub -- you have to know the right's the pivot and have to see it come back to the floor.

I call it when I see it. But I have to know which foot is the pivot foot (as always) and have to see it come back to the floor. I've heard other officials say, "that spin move is a travel 100% of the time, so I just call it" and that's the justification. That's worse than missing the travel, IMO.

If you can't describe the reason for the call, then you shouldn't make it in the first place.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If you can't describe the reason for the call, then you shouldn't make it in the first place.

How about, "That spin move is a travel 100% of the time, so I just call it."?

Good reason for the call? That'll sure satisfy a questioning player, coach, athletic director, or assignment commissioner. Right?

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