Vid request-Uconn BC First half 1:55 (Clip Added)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Let's see...the defender is moving toward the far sideline. Dribbler sticks forearm in defenders stomach and shoves him, changing defenders direction to toward the endline.

But there is no illegal contact there??? That shove did not cause the separation???

Good grief.

Well let us see. The official on the game called a foul on the defender, not the offensive player. So whatever he saw, he clearly did not think it was a foul on the action with the arm. Now that is debatable as to why this play was asked for. And when I saw the play live, I felt nothing should have been called. Sorry, that you do not see the plays like this I see all the time. And even with the new directives I still see no foul. There is contact in basketball. And there is certainly contact in men's or boy's basketball.

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well let us see. The official on the game called a foul on the defender, not the offensive player. So whatever he saw, he clearly did not think it was a foul on the action with the arm. Now that is debatable as to why this play was asked for. And when I saw the play live, I felt nothing should have been called. Sorry, that you do not see the plays like this I see all the time. And even with the new directives I still see no foul. There is contact in basketball. And there is certainly contact in men's or boy's basketball.

Peace

You all just don't have the experience and perspective that JRut has.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

You all just don't have the experience and perspective that JRut has.

If you have not seen that play many times in different forms, then NO YOU DO NOT have the experience. That is why we get paid the big bucks.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you have not seen that play many times in different forms, then NO YOU DO NOT have the experience. That is why we get paid the big bucks.

Peace

And yet you still get it wrong. Being confident about your mistakes doesn't make them correct.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And yet you still get it wrong.

Oh, based on whom? You? Since when did I work a single game for you?

Thanks for that laugh on that one.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Oh, based on whom? You? Since when did I work a single game for you?

Thanks for that laugh on that one.

Peace

Every single person in this thread except you.

If I were assigning, I probably wouldn't use officials who make up stuff to justify incorrect calls so you would never be working for me.

[rockyroad]

It is because of blown calls like this one, and the refusal of officials such as Mr. Rutledge to make a call on plays like this one, that we have such strong directives coming down from the NCAA.

And of course, none of us have ever worked anything even remotely close to the level of ball that takes place in that one certain area of the country where things are done in the only correct way.

Oh well.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Every single person in this thread except you.

If I were assigning, I probably wouldn't use officials who make up stuff to justify incorrect calls so you would never be working for me.

It is obvious to me based on your comments, you are not in an area that really breaks down plays. We break down plays here. This kind of play is talked about in detail and if the defender did anything wrong and if the arm was illegal. And I am confident that a lot of people would have had different opinions as to the level of contact and advantage. And that is why I used the football example because in PI plays, there is a lot of debate of when or if contact influenced the play and a foul should be called. And in those videos there are situations where officials have been accused of being "too technical" in their calling such fouls. Sorry, you do not understand that fact or even want to discuss. I never said you were wrong, I just said that I do not think the arm was the result of the contact being illegal. Oh well.

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Oh, based on whom? You? Since when did I work a single game for you?

Thanks for that laugh on that one.

Peace

Since when do we need to be one of your assignors to tell you that you're wrong?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Since when do we need to be one of your assignors to tell you that you're wrong?

You can tell me whatever you want to tell me. But since I do not work for you or you are not a supervisor or camp director I am trying to work for, what your opinion is on the matter is really irrelevant. I gave my opinion on what I saw on the play. You gave your opinion on what you saw on the play and the official in question did not call what you suggest I am so wrong about. The official called a "block" against the defender. He did not call a push off PC foul. Now what are you going to do, tell him he cannot work anymore?

Peace

[BryanV21]

The defender was moving sideways, but suddenly fell backwards. Looks like a PC foul to me.

Personally, I think defenders are too often to blame for contact.