just a little note- travel and coaches

[mutantducky]

reminder... because it happens darn power of suggestion

So you hear coaches sometimes yelling travel, watch the travel (etc etc)
But sometimes I see that but then refs are too eager to call a travel soon after. Maybe they did miss a travel the first time. I don't know. But they get it in their heads to watch for a travel and when you start watching things that coaches want you to notice you start to see violations that aren't there.
Too often I see travels called after coaches start yelping about it and too often players make good moves and travels are called. Especially on pump/head fakes one way then a move to the other. I know they can be tough to call at times, we all make mistakes with those calls, but just be mindful on how they are called.

[Moosie74]

This might be true of brand new officials but not anyone who has worked a number of games.

Any official who lets the coach in their head is in for a very long night

[DRJ1960]

Originally Posted by Moosie74

This might be true of brand new officials but not anyone who has worked a number of games.

Any official who lets the coach in their head is in for a very long night

Seen it happen more than once.....

[Adam]

Most of the time you see it because a) he traveled or b) she traveled.

Just as I'm not going to let the coach tell me when to call a travel, I'm not going to avoid calling it just because he asked me to.

I will, however, tell him to knock it off after about 2 times.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

reminder... because it happens darn power of suggestion

So you hear coaches sometimes yelling travel, watch the travel (etc etc)
But sometimes I see that but then refs are too eager to call a travel soon after. Maybe they did miss a travel the first time. I don't know. But they get it in their heads to watch for a travel and when you start watching things that coaches want you to notice you start to see violations that aren't there.
Too often I see travels called after coaches start yelping about it and too often players make good moves and travels are called. Especially on pump/head fakes one way then a move to the other. I know they can be tough to call at times, we all make mistakes with those calls, but just be mindful on how they are called.

Yes, I'm guilty of it. I call a travel on the coach's team

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yes, I'm guilty of it. I call a travel on the coach's team

I've been known to use that theory. I like it.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

If he's gonna be a jerk about it, his team will definitely get the first call. IF the behavior persists, I'll let the coach know that if he's going to call it, I'm not.

[BatteryPowered]

Most experience officials will nail that coach's team first. Coaches also learn the officials tendencies just like officials know the coaches. If they have been around a while they know if an official tends to call somethings tight or likes to try to talk the players out of violations and fouls early in the game. They also know who they can successfully "work". Some coaches rarely say anything...so when they do if usually means something.

A good example was one of my last games before the health "vacation". I warned both teams a couple of times about 3 second violations (keep in mind, I count slow so when I get to 3 they should have already moved). I finally called a violation and the coach yelled at his player "If either of these guys are calling you for 3 seconds you have been in there for a week. Move your butt." I almost spit my whistle across the floor.

[mutantducky]

yeah... the "Now you call it!, what about the last one"


I've done it and I've seen experienced refs do it as well. I've seen calls that are 100% not a violation. It may appear to be but you are getting in your head because of what the coaches are saying so you aren't viewing it objectively. They have their games to play too. Just try to watch out for it is what I'd tell fellow refs.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

yes, i'm guilty of it. I call a travel on the coach's team :d

+1

[BryanV21]

I just go by a saying I was taught as a younger ref..

"Answer comments... ignore statements."

Of course, that line has one more part...

"penalize insanity"

[Raymond]

Answer questions, acknowledge requests, ignore comments.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Answer questions, acknowledge requests, ignore comments.

Oops, I messed my part up.

It was "answer questions, ignore comments, penalize insanity."

I like BNR's too.

[Adam]

I'll ignore the comments until it's clear they're persistent. I don't allow persistent.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

The best line ever:

"It is going to be like Jeopardy tonight. Everything needs to be in the form of a question"