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futuredoc2014 Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:05am

NCAA Count Mechanics
 
I was watching several NCAA games and was wondering about the count mechanics. Instead of raising one arm while counting with the other, they just do the count, then make a fist when the ball is inbounded. Is there any specific reason they do that, and is it allowed for NFHS?

futuredoc2014 Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:07am

Also, for a team/player control foul, do you put your hand behind your head AND punch?

APG Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:08am

The count and chop with one hand is mechanic used in NCAA-M's game where they are using precision timing as the other hand is on the pager unit starting the time. For NCAA-W and the NBA, it's a mechanic regardless.

If you're doing it by the book, then no, it's not the mechanic used for NFHS. Whether you can do it or not will depend in Rome.

constable Tue Nov 12, 2013 01:01am

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Originally Posted by futuredoc2014 (Post 910486)
I was watching several NCAA games and was wondering about the count mechanics. Instead of raising one arm while counting with the other, they just do the count, then make a fist when the ball is inbounded. Is there any specific reason they do that, and is it allowed for NFHS?


Is it in the book?

I'll save you the time. It isn't.

So if it isn't in the book it's not allowed.

Both of your posts can be answered by reading the throw in administration and the foul calling procedures in your manual.

Whether everyone here practices what the manual preaches is another story. I am guilty of not doing the hand behind the head on a PC foul... a draw back of working two different rulesets I guess.

JetMetFan Tue Nov 12, 2013 01:51am

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Originally Posted by futuredoc2014 (Post 910487)
Also, for a team/player control foul, do you put your hand behind your head AND punch?

NFHS = Fist up then hand behind head
NCAAW = Fist up then punch

I'll let an NCAAM's official describe the mechanic there.

Happily, since NYC BV & GV are under different rule sets I don't forget which one to use. If there are boys on the court I use NFHS, if there are girls I use NCAAW.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 12, 2013 08:26am

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Originally Posted by futuredoc2014 (Post 910487)
Also, for a team/player control foul, do you put your hand behind your head AND punch?

NFHS PC foul and TC foul are different signals (signals 36 and 37). Should use one or the other, but not both (even though you are correct that a PC foul is (usually) also a TC foul).

SE Minnestoa Re Tue Nov 12, 2013 09:44am

Minnesota does not want the hand behind the head signal on PC fouls. They prefer the NCAA signal.

When I work in other states, I sometimes forget but nobody has ever said anything.

NCHSAA Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 910491)
NFHS = Fist up then hand behind head
NCAAW = Fist up then punch

I'll let an NCAAM's official describe the mechanic there.

Happily, since NYC BV & GV are under different rule sets I don't forget which one to use. If there are boys on the court I use NFHS, if there are girls I use NCAAW.

Only God can describe those personal NCAAM's mechanics...

Raymond Tue Nov 12, 2013 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by futuredoc2014 (Post 910486)
I was watching several NCAA games and was wondering about the count mechanics. Instead of raising one arm while counting with the other, they just do the count, then make a fist when the ball is inbounded...

NCAA-Mens officials are not supposed to make a fist to start the clock. Even with using a PTS, by the book they should still chop open-handed.

I have one college supervisor who has this as a pet peeve.

Raymond Tue Nov 12, 2013 01:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 910491)
NFHS = Fist up then hand behind head
NCAAW = Fist up then punch

I'll let an NCAAM's official describe the mechanic there.
...

I had 2 PCs Friday. I punched on the spot, behind the head when reporting.

constable Tue Nov 12, 2013 08:38pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 910532)
I had 2 PCs Friday. I punched on the spot, behind the head when reporting.

That is typically how I do it. Hopefully the supervisor isn't there as they are sticklers for hand behind the head signal.


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