Intentional Foul by the Shooter

[rfp]

If A-1 drives to the basket and commits an intentional foul on the shot, by definition it's not a player control foul since a PCF is a common foul. If the shot goes in, though, that would mean the basket would count, no? Seems like an odd result. Am I missing something?

[bob jenkins]

If the try is in flight, it counts. If the try is not in flight, it does not count.

[JRutledge]

I cannot imagine a shooter committing an intentional foul. I guess it is possible, but I think it is a solution looking for a problem. But as Bob says, the basket could theoretically count.

Peace

[Adam]

Other than a good exercise in definitions and enforcement, I agree with Jeff. This would be the definition of a sasquatch.

[rfp]

Originally Posted by Adam

Other than a good exercise in definitions and enforcement, I agree with Jeff. This would be the definition of a sasquatch.

It's a question on this year's IAABO test, that's why I bring it up. The idea of counting the basket if it went in seemed strange.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rfp

It's a question on this year's IAABO test, that's why I bring it up. The idea of counting the basket if it went in seemed strange.

Interesting. I should probably get started on that.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rfp

It's a question on this year's IAABO test, that's why I bring it up. The idea of counting the basket if it went in seemed strange.

I got it wrong too.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by rfp

It's a question on this year's IAABO test, that's why I bring it up. The idea of counting the basket if it went in seemed strange.

We must get a different IAABO test in Missouri. I don't remember any such question. I will recheck

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot imagine a shooter committing an intentional foul.

Never seen it but I can imagine a player throwing a deliberate elbow to the head of a defender on his way up. Or maybe a deliberate kick - something like that maybe?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Never seen it but I can imagine a player throwing a deliberate elbow to the head of a defender on his way up. Or maybe a deliberate kick - something like that maybe?

When that happens, take pictures and get video. Even then it might be a man in a monkey suit.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Well, it's covered in the case book (NFHS & NCAA) so it must have happened at least once

NFHS 4.19.6 SITUATION B:

Is it possible for airborne shooter A1 to commit a foul which would not be player control?

RULING: Yes. The airborne shooter could be charged with an intentional or flagrant personal foul or with a technical foul. (4-19-2, 4-19-3, 4-19-4)

NCAAW A.R. 74. Is it possible for airborne shooter A1 to commit a foul that would not be a player-control foul?
RULING: Yes. The airborne shooter could be charged with a personal foul, a flagrant 1 personal foul, a flagrant 2 personal foul or with a flagrant 2 noncontact technical foul. None of these fouls can be a player-control foul. When an airborne shooter commits a foul that is not a player-control foul, the infraction shall be penalized as dictated by the type of foul. (Rule 4-15.2.a.1)

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When that happens, take pictures and get video. Even then it might be a man in a monkey suit.

Peace

Wasn't there some controversy (somewhat) recently with Kobe Bryant kicking out his legs at defenders while shooting? I seem to remember this making the rounds on ESPN but I can't find any video evidence on youTube (I assume this is due to NBA copyright rules).

I'm sure it wasn't an "intentional foul" by NBA rules, but I could see how this could happen.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When that happens, take pictures and get video. Even then it might be a man in a monkey suit.

Peace

Not exactly the same thing, but I remember a play from the Witchita St. vs. Illinois St. game last season where a rebounder intentionally kicked an opponent and was eventually charged (after monitor review) with a flagrant 1 foul. After seeing that play, it doesn't seem as far fetched for a shooter to try the same thing. Unlikely, yes, so unlikely that it could only be done by the man in the monkey suit, maybe not.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot imagine a shooter committing an intentional foul. I guess it is possible, but I think it is a solution looking for a problem. But as Bob says, the basket could theoretically count.

Peace

More than a few years ago, I'd agree with that. But now, with the way some interpret the elbow rules and the way I've seen some calls get made even in big D1 games, there is more of a possibility.

If the shooter goes in with a leading elbow to the face of a defender, that could easily be ruled an intentional foul given the new interpretations.

And it is not that far fetched. I saw a game on TV last year where a dribbler, while going to the basket completely and inadvertently clipped a guy in the face with his elbow while going by him. The arm was only moving as everyone's arms move when they run. Upon review, the called it a FF1. I was stunned. 1/2 a second later, the guy was shooting. Not that far fetched.