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grunewar Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:16pm

NCAA Hand-Checking Article - USAToday
 
New NCAA hand-check rule: Too radical or perfect remedy?

AremRed Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:43pm

It's interesting that the official in the 2nd picture (Pat Driscoll?) is wearing a HS shirt.

APG Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:38am

Freedom of movement is the name of the game.

Sharpshooternes Tue Nov 05, 2013 02:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 909856)
Freedom of movement is the name of the game.

Yep, learn to play defense and move your feet. "Don't give me no lines and keep your hands to yourself."

JetMetFan Tue Nov 05, 2013 03:00am

Quote:

"Self is worried about how best to defend a ball screen because the only way to go over the screen is to "jam the dribbler, which now would be a foul"
Here's a novel idea: How about players moving their feet on defense?

JetMetFan Tue Nov 05, 2013 05:14am

Because I'm feeling nostalgic take a look at any part of these two clips. I know the game was different in the '80s and '90s - especially with more zone defense - but these games involve four of the most aggressive teams in those decades and they managed to play without putting their hands all over their opponents. When they used their hands the wrong way, the whistle blew.


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Raymond Tue Nov 05, 2013 07:28am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 909848)
It's interesting that the official in the 2nd picture (Pat Driscoll?) is wearing a HS shirt.

Not really. What's interesting is the amount fouls bring called in scrimmages and exhibitions and coaches are complaining. They make the rules

JetMetFan Tue Nov 05, 2013 07:32am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 909872)
What's interesting is the amount fouls bring called in scrimmages and exhibitions and coaches are complaining. They make the rules

That's the other part of the equation. I can only speak for the NCAAW side but I believe there was one, maybe two, officials involved in the rules summit in the spring. Everyone else was a coach, AD or some other administrator. We don't make the rules, we just enforce 'em.

Adam Tue Nov 05, 2013 08:59am

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 909862)
Here's a novel idea: How about players moving their feet on defense?

Um, is this a new rule, or just a newly emphasized enforcement? Seems to me, jamming the dribbler was always a foul, by rule, even if it wasn't called consistently.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 05, 2013 09:26am

Translation: I hate the way other teams are getting away with muggings and it must stop. But now it's affecting my team who is just playing good hard defense.

AremRed Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 909872)
Not really. What's interesting is

No real need to disagree with me BNR, people do find different things more interesting than others :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 909862)
Here's a novel idea: How about players moving their feet on defense?

Totally agree. Plus they could switch on picks.

brainbrian Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:30am

Wow, there is zero contact in those videos. And the benches are really far off the court.

Teams knew this was coming. They'll adjust in a few games once they realize and then it won't be an issue anymore. Or at least they should adjust if they're smart.

JRutledge Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:45am

Also it must be noted that in those old videos, ball handlers are not forcing their way to the basket either. Not only did the defense change, the offensive style changed too. Defenders are not right next to the ball handler and the ball handlers are not trying to go to the basket and are shooting more jumpers as well. Different game played all together.

Peace

Andy Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:29pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 909876)
Translation: I hate the way other teams are getting away with muggings and it must stop. But now it's affecting my team who is just playing good hard defense.

All of the coaches want the hand checking called a foul.....on the OTHER team!

rockyroad Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 909848)
It's interesting that the official in the 2nd picture (Pat Driscoll?) is wearing a HS shirt.

Wtf is a "high school" shirt?

Seems like the directive is that the wide insert shirt can be worn as long as all members of the crew wear the same shirt.

Did I miss something saying that the wide insert shirt is now the official shirt?


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