Live ball, clock not running
 

Stealing this from FB to generate discussion:

White leading by 2 points with 0:02.0 left, has one free throw left of what was two, calls a timeout. After the timeout, white pulls all their players other than the shooter all the way back to inside the defensive 3 point line. White misses the last free throw. Black allows the ball to land on the ground and instead of trying to make a play, they stand over it (kind of like a football player trying to down a punt). No action occurs other than a white player verbally suggests he pick the ball up and the black player says he won't because he is going to try to draw a foul on his 3/4 court shot when a white player comes to defend him.
Play is completely stopped. White is staying away, black is waiting for white to come over. Neither team has possession, though black is standing next to it.

Under NFHS I would probably stand there forever until something happened.

Under NCAA I would warn about the actionless contest rule and then use it.

Interesting situation. I guess I would just whistle a held ball and go with the arrow in order to get the game resumed. If white has the arrow, too bad for black. They could have picked up the ball.

NFHS has an actionless contest provision also - 10-1-5. Team technical foul.

End the game. (after telling black that's what you will do)

So call a double team technical foul for actionless contest on both teams and go with the point of interruption, which no team had control, so go with arrow!

Why both teams? White has no obligation to try to secure an offensive rebound on a missed free throw in this situation. That's why there is no rule requiring offensive players to occupy marked lane spaces. Call the team tech on black as per NFHS 10-1-5 after a warning.

Neither team has an obligation to secure the rebound, IMO.

10.1.5 says someone does

because both teams are allowing this to become an actionless contest. You can't just blame one team for it.

Neither team has an obligation to secure a rebound, but both teams have allowed it to become an actionless contest. Double T + AP Arrow solves the problem.

Go pick up the ball, without blowing the whistle, and throw it at a player (or hand it to one) so you can start the clock!!! :eek: :D

I actually like Bob's answer.

The rules allow us to shorten the length of a period at the agreement of both teams. I'm sure the team that's ahead wouldn't have a problem. I'd be willing to take the trailing team's lack of action as an indication that they don't want to continue. I'd warn them first, of course.

I'm not inclined to go with IW (or double TF), because black gets an advantage if they get the throw in (they get to throw the ball down court with the clock stopped).

That's taking 2-3 to new heights! :cool:

I agree with this

Where and why?

Lights, Camera ???
 

A team shall not:
Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes
the following and similar acts:
a. When the clock is not running consuming a full minute through not being
ready when it is time to start either half.
b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or
from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play
procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The
procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific
situations.
c. Commit a violation of the throw-in boundary-line plane, as in 9-2-10, after
any team warning for delay.
d. Contact with the free thrower or a huddle of two or more players in the lane
by either team prior to a free throw following any team warning for delay.
e. Interfering with the ball following a goal after any team warning for delay.
f. Not having the court ready for play following any time-out after any team
warning for delay.

I see nothing in 10.1.5 that addresses this situation.

No ???
 

" ... similar acts." ???

similar to what?

10.1.5
A team shall not:
Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes
the following and similar acts:

There's no 'act' listed to which this is similar.

Note, for a once-in-five-lifetimes play, I don't think there's really a wrong answer.

Except for going with a DOG warning or starting a ten second count.

Adam:

I am going to address what you said with regard to a DOG Warning or starting a ten-second count per NFHS Rules.

First the easy one: Ten-second Count. The ball is in Team A's Frontcout/Team B's Backcourt. The ball is Live but neither team has control of the ball therefore no ten-second count against Team B can be started.

Now for the more difficult one: DOG Warning. Which one for the four articles in R4-S47 would you apply?

MTD, Sr.

I still like my suggesting of making the ball touch a player so we can just start the clock! :p:p

Even better, how about one of the official's picking the ball up and shooting it into one of the team's baskets. Live ball through the basket....2 points!

Adam was saying he wouldn't try to address this situation via a ten-second count nor a DOG. Those suggestions (along with some suggesting using the ROP) were given in the Facebook group in which this question was originally proposed.

I'm pretty sure we are supposed to disregard that forced first touching. ;)

Mark, do me a favor. Take a deep breath and read my post again. ;)

Adam:

Sorry. I guess I am getting old and senile in my old age. Besides it was past my bed time when I made my post. :p

MTD, Sr.

Funny, I was just asking a friend of mine if you were getting senile. :)

For the record, I got just as cranky when those answers were posted on FB.

Option B: Suspend the game and let the conference / state / organizing body decide what to do. Works well especially if B is home -- they will either have to pay for new officials to finish the last two seconds, or take the loss.

Option C: Inadvertant whistle. Go to the arrow. I'd only do this if it was pointing at C.

Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy ...
 

After about ten minutes, or so, my start the clock arm would get so tired that I would have to lower it, the clock would start, two seconds later the horn would sound, and then, about a minute later, I would be enjoying a concession stand hot dog in the locker room.

Or? How about a Black player get down on his hands, and knees, and blows the ball, à la Lenny Randle, closer to his basket where White is forced to defend?

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Is 2-3 Really The Best We Got Here ???
 

This has been fun, but seriously, does anyone have a definitive interpretation to this situation? If not, can anybody get one from a local interpreter, state interpreter, or directly from the NFHS?

It's a once-in-5-lifetimes play. Don't expect an interpretation on it.

Use the rule that allows you to shorten the periods upon agreement from both teams. The team that's winning will be fine with that. The team that's losing would probably like a bit of a warning that their continued inaction will be taken as an agreement to end the game.

Or just blow the whistle and go IW.

This made me chuckle. I like this option the best.

How are you going to get both coaches to agree to that? If you can get both coaches to agree while the ball is on the floor, why not just have Team Black head coach, instruct his player to pick up the ball?

Personally, I'm going 2-3 on this one. And I hope I never see this play.

"Hey, #35, if you continue to stare at the basketball, I'm going to take that as your agreement to end the game early."

A little bit of 2-3 is required.

My only concern with going with the IW is that if black has the arrow, they can now throw the ball the length of the floor with the clock stopped.