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constable Thu Oct 24, 2013 08:21pm

FED coaches and captains meeting
 
Does anyone actually have the coaches come out for the captains meeting? Some boards in Ontario are sticklers for it. We tried it briefly here. After a handful of refusals we just reverted back to our old procedure of meeting the captains at 12:00 or so and then greeting the coaches just before we ditch our jackets.

What say you ?

Camron Rust Thu Oct 24, 2013 08:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by constable (Post 908729)
Does anyone actually have the coaches come out for the captains meeting? Some boards in Ontario are sticklers for it. We tried it briefly here. After a handful of refusals we just reverted back to our old procedure of meeting the captains at 12:00 or so and then greeting the coaches just before we ditch our jackets.

What say you ?


No. And I've never seen anyone else do it either.

WhistlesAndStripes Thu Oct 24, 2013 09:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by constable (Post 908729)
Does anyone actually have the coaches come out for the captains meeting? Some boards in Ontario are sticklers for it. We tried it briefly here. After a handful of refusals we just reverted back to our old procedure of meeting the captains at 12:00 or so and then greeting the coaches just before we ditch our jackets.

What say you ?

We also do captains and coaches separate. We don't even do the coaches together.

Freddy Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:17pm

Used To
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by constable (Post 908729)
Does anyone actually have the coaches come out for the captains meeting?

Yes. Used to. Former partner and I made this a regular practice and we never had a problem with any coach refusing to come to a coaches and captains "Cum Ba Ya" meeting in front of the table. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. It was an option, we tried it, liked it, and it worked well . . .

. . . until . . .

We ran into a streak of three or four guys assigned as our third man who, without any evidence, just plain decided ahead of time without ever trying it that it wouldn't work...that coaches would refuse to cooperate and participate, that the idea was stupid, that (blah, blah, blah). Since the locker room pregame wasn't the place to waste time rationalizing the benefits of the situation, we just stopped doing it. The problem wasn't with the coaches or the players, but with stubborn officials who were too thick-headed to at least try something different.

One thing, among others, I liked is that "equal time" was assured with each coach because we met with them together. If one coach, as when we meet seperately, had a question we took time to answer, the other coach didn't have to stand over there staring and stewing and assuming his rival is sucking up to us the whole time. I liked that benefit.

Reverted back to the old way now, though I reserve the right to resume the fight for it whenever I want to. Because it's an option.

Raymond Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:44pm

constable, I see what you did there. :)

JRutledge Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:06am

It is required to have the head coaches and captains at the same meeting in this state. If the head coaches do not come, they can be written up for not participating.

Peace

grunewar Fri Oct 25, 2013 04:08am

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 908734)
We also do captains and coaches separate. We don't even do the coaches together.

This, in my Association

BillyMac Fri Oct 25, 2013 05:35am

The Constitution State ...
 
Captains-Head Coaches-Officials pre-game meeting should occur prior to start of game. If the head coach
refuses to attend the meeting, notify Board Commissioner, who will notify the school athletic
director and CIAC.

SCalScoreKeeper Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:28am

Our area of Southern Cal (inland) does the coaches meeting at the table & meets with the captains at center court.The neighboring area (Foothill) does each coach separately (usually at their bench) and then the captains at center court.

Adam Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:12pm

Captains at 12 at center court.
Coaches at 3 at the table.

ballgame99 Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:26pm

Coaches/captains meeting at 5:00 is what we do around here. After about a 20 second meeting (sportsmanhip, tell coaches to let us know full or 30, get the ball to an official after a whistle), we shake hands and say "good luck".

OKREF Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 908745)
It is required to have the head coaches and captains at the same meeting in this state. If the head coaches do not come, they can be written up for not participating.

Peace

Same here. The head coaches must attend. No assistants.

Smitty Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:52pm

We meet coaches separately as we walk in from warmups at 2 min. Meet visitor head coach first then shake hands with all assistants. Then same with home coach. Not a lot of words. "Any questions? Good luck".

BktBallRef Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 908734)
We also do captains and coaches separate. We don't even do the coaches together.

Ditto.

Zoochy Fri Oct 25, 2013 01:01pm

Missouri
 
We meet with Head Coach and Captain(s) @ the 5 minute mark in front of the table.:):)

BillyMac Fri Oct 25, 2013 01:04pm

Short, And Sweet ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 908842)
Coaches/captains meeting at 5:00 is what we do around here. After about a 20 second meeting (sportsmanship, tell coaches to let us know full or 30, get the ball to an official after a whistle), we shake hands and say "good luck".

In my little corner of Connecticut (5:00, head coaches, and captains (if necessary, all twelve of them):

1) Players properly equipped?
2) Players wearing uniforms properly?
3) Practice good sportsmanship.

"Have fun".

No, "Blue line all the way around". No, "Who's the speaking captain? What's your number? Are you starting?".

Like the title of my post, short, and sweet.

Sharpshooternes Fri Oct 25, 2013 01:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 908856)
In my little corner of Connecticut (5:00, head coaches, and captains (if necessary, all twelve of them):

1) Players properly equipped?
2) Players wearing uniforms properly?
3) Practice good sportsmanship.

"Have fun".

No, "Blue line all the way around". No, "Who's the speaking captain? What's your number? Are you starting?".

Like the title of my post, short, and sweet.

This is my new coaches meeting ^^

scrounge Fri Oct 25, 2013 01:57pm

Frankly I don't understand why we have captain's meetings in the first place. There's no coin flip, no speaking necessary. Sportsmanship can be emphasized when meeting with the coaches. We're not writing down their numbers or asking them about penalty enforcement. What's the point? We don't do it in baseball, I don't see the need to do it in basketball.

Adam Fri Oct 25, 2013 02:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 908864)
Frankly I don't understand why we have captain's meetings in the first place. There's no coin flip, no speaking necessary. Sportsmanship can be emphasized when meeting with the coaches. We're not writing down their numbers or asking them about penalty enforcement. What's the point? We don't do it in baseball, I don't see the need to do it in basketball.

I do it because we're supposed to. I simply tell them to take care of their own knuckleheads so we don't have to. Then I let them get back to shooting layups and watching the cheerleaders.

Altor Fri Oct 25, 2013 02:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 908864)
We don't do it in baseball, I don't see the need to do it in basketball.

I believe the coaches and captains meeting is required in all NFHS sports.

JRutledge Fri Oct 25, 2013 02:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altor (Post 908878)
I believe the coaches and captains meeting is required in all NFHS sports.

It is in the rules in both baseball and football. Baseball tends to not involve captains as a general practice, but in football it is pretty much spelled out and practiced captains are to be involved with the coaches.

Peace

Adam Fri Oct 25, 2013 02:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 908881)
It is in the rules in both baseball and football. Baseball tends to not involve captains as a general practice, but in football it is pretty much spelled out and practiced captains are to be involved with the coaches.

Peace

You do your captains meeting with the coaches in football? Here, we do coaches, separately, before hand.

JRutledge Fri Oct 25, 2013 03:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 908883)
You do your captains meeting with the coaches in football? Here, we do coaches, separately, before hand.

We have a sportsmanship meeting that is required. We do it at the coin flip or right before. We do meet with coaches before that meeting to discuss things about their team.

Peace

BillyMac Fri Oct 25, 2013 04:01pm

Found This On My Hard Drive ...
 
... I don't know if it still applies ...

The National High School Federation and your state association require officials to enforce sportsmanship rules. High school athletics emphasize positive values. All of us have worked hard to create a sense of teamwork, respect, responsibility and perspective. We remind you that we expect good behavior and will quickly penalize misconduct. We encourage and appreciate your help. Let the competition reflect mutual respect among participants and officials. Coaches please certify that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according the NFHS rules. Good luck and have a great contest! (New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association, Kentucky High School Athletic Association)

"PIAA requires all registered sports' officials to enforce the sportsmanship rules for coaches and contestants. Actions meant to demean opposing contestants, teams, spectators and officials are not in the highest ideals of interscholastic education and will not be tolerated. Let today's contest reflect mutual respect. Coaches please certify to the contest official(s) that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according to NFHS rules and PIAA adoptions. Good luck in today's contest." (Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Association)

To captains: The FHSAA requires officials to enforce all rules regarding unsportsmanlike conduct by players and coaches. Violators will be ejected. It is strongly suggested that you remind your teammates and coaches of this policy. Additionally, this is a simple reminder that jewelry is not allowed, and jerseys must be tucked in during play if they are designed to be worn in. To coaches: Coaches, do you certify that your players are properly equipped and will demonstrate sportsmanlike behavior during today’s contest? (Florida High School Activities Association)

constable Fri Oct 25, 2013 08:25pm

In FIBA captains meetings are not done. Working half of my year under the International rule-set has made me realize there is no need for captains meetings.

JetMetFan Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:31am

NYC Boys we get coaches & captains around 12. We ask the coaches if everyone is properly equipped and whether everyone will exhibit good sportsmanship then we send the coaches on their way.

NYC Girls we don’t have to bring the coaches out since we use modified NCAAW rules.

jeremy341a Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:24am

In my association we have the Coaches and Captains meetings and always identify the "speaking" captain. This is the person we ask before the ball is tossed if their team is ready to play.

Adam Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 909113)
In my association we have the Coaches and Captains meetings and always identify the "speaking" captain. This is the person we ask before the ball is tossed if their team is ready to play.

Some here still ask for speaking captains.

I do not.

BEAREF Mon Oct 28, 2013 01:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 909113)
In my association we have the Coaches and Captains meetings and always identify the "speaking" captain. This is the person we ask before the ball is tossed if their team is ready to play.

Do you ask that person even if they are not one of the starters?

Kingsman1288 Mon Oct 28, 2013 02:28pm

Before league play starts, coaches and captains are separate. Once league play starts, we meet with the captains, coaches AND game admin at center court.

jeremy341a Mon Oct 28, 2013 02:58pm

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Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 909147)
Do you ask that person even if they are not one of the starters?

I probably wouldn't especially since half the time I don't ask them at all because I've forgot their numbers even though it was only 5 minutes before.

Freddy Mon Oct 28, 2013 03:22pm

We've Been Here Before
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 909113)
In my association we have the Coaches and Captains meetings and always identify the "speaking" captain. This is the person we ask before the ball is tossed if their team is ready to play.

Q: If that player did not know English, or if he had laryngitis, or if he was dumb and could not use his voice, would that invalidate him from that contrived role?
:-) 3-1-1 :-)

BillyMac Mon Oct 28, 2013 05:50pm

Speak No Evil ...
 
I am fully aware that the NFHS only recognizes one captain on each team, however:

I will "speak" to any player, not just the "speaking" captains, and not just the captains, if they approach me politely, even if it's the players on the end of the bench who come in during garbage time.

I will use any of the captains, not just the "speaking" captains, or any of the players (not just the captains) who appear to have any leadership skills, to help me to defuse "chippy" situations, to prevent these situations from escalating.

Before I toss the ball to start the game, I make a general statement, "Everybody ready?", and this is not only directed to the captains, or to the "speaking" captains, but to all the starting players.

That's my story, it's served me well for thirty-two years, and I'm sticking to it.

I also realize that there is a certain amount of "When in Rome .." involved here, so, to each his own.

Raymond Mon Oct 28, 2013 06:55pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 909179)
...

Before I toss the ball to start the game, I make a general statement, "Everybody ready?", and this is not only directed to the captains, or to the "speaking" captains, but to all the starting players.
...

Before I toss the ball, I blow my whistle and then tell the jumpers I go straight up, I don't bounce the ball. If the other 8 players aren't ready I'll let my partner(s) handle that.

Adam Mon Oct 28, 2013 07:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 909191)
Before I toss the ball, I blow my whistle and then tell the jumpers I go straight up, I don't bounce the ball. If the other 8 players aren't ready I'll let my partner(s) handle that.

I bounce, right about the time I get to the circle.

I should probably say something as I approach, but I don't. I just hit my whistle, drop the whistle, and walk in from the sideline.

constable Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 909139)
Some here still ask for speaking captains.

I do not.



Never have. Never will. If a player comes to me and asks me a question or a request to watch something as long as it's done in a respectful and courteous manner I will gladly oblige. Regardless of whether or not they are the captain.

I will never tell the captains it's the grey line ...

My message is something like this.

Shirts tucked in.
Subs to the table.
Nothing goofy in the hair ( for the girls season)
take care of your players

good luck, have fun.

With the coaches- introduce myself.

Remind them to indicate if they want a 30 or 60 and to break the huddle on the 1st horn. Good luck, and have fun.

AremRed Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:54pm

I couldn't find the thread, but I love Adam's coaches meeting. I think it goes something like this:

1. Legally equipped?
2. Good sportsmanship
3. There's the coaches box

Done.

BillyMac Tue Oct 29, 2013 06:17am

Want To Borrow My Slide Rule ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 909191)
Before I toss the ball, I blow my whistle and then tell the jumpers I go straight up.

Not me. I tell them that I will toss it so that it forms a parabolic curve toward the northwest end of the gymnasium. The gives the honor student-athletes a slight advantage, and encourages all the players to pay attention in mathematics, and geography, classes.

BadNewsRef: Seriously. Why would you choose to say this? Are there any other acceptable ways to toss? Do you have a lot of poor tossers in your local association?

pfan1981 Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 909225)
Not me. I tell them that I will toss it so that it forms a parabolic curve toward the northwest end of the gymnasium. The gives the honor student-athletes a slight advantage, and encourages all the players to pay attention in mathematics, and geography, classes.

BadNewsRef: Seriously. Why would you choose to say this? Are there any other acceptable ways to toss? Do you have a lot of poor tossers in your local association?

We need a like button on here. As a math teacher, I loved this.

Raymond Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 909225)
...
BadNewsRef: Seriously. Why would you choose to say this? Are there any other acceptable ways to toss? Do you have a lot of poor tossers in your local association?

Everyone else bounces the ball at least once when they reach the circle...I come in ready to toss, no bounce. And I'm 6'5", so I make those kids really jump to get it.

Adam Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 909287)
Everyone else bounces the ball at least once when they reach the circle...I come in ready to toss, no bounce. And I'm 6'5", so I make those kids really jump to get it.

Any of them just wait for gravity? :)

Raymond Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 909295)
Any of them just wait for gravity? :)

If I were a coach, I wouldn't even worry about the opening tap. I'd just set up for a defensive tip and look forward to getting the first AP arrow.

BillyMac Tue Oct 29, 2013 04:33pm

Hey, Give Me A Break, I Hadn't Had My Morning Cup Of Coffee Yet ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 909287)
Everyone else bounces the ball at least once when they reach the circle...I come in ready to toss, no bounce.

Now I get it. By "straight" up you mean that you're going to toss it right away, it doesn't mean that you're going to toss it in a straight line, even though you probably will.

MD Longhorn Tue Oct 29, 2013 04:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 909179)
That's my story, it's served me well for thirty-two eyes, and I'm sticking to it.

Damn...

So how often do you have to replace your eyes?

BillyMac Tue Oct 29, 2013 05:09pm

The Eyes Have It ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 909336)
So how often do you have to replace your eyes?

Actually, I'll be having cataract surgery within six, to eighteen, months, depending on how rapidly the cataract in the better eye progresses. To be honest with all of you, I'm scared to death about this procedure. The only good thing? When fans, and coaches, yell at me this coming season, "Are you blind?", I'll be able to truthfully reply, "You're damned right I am".


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