ROP is not DOG

Sharpshooternes · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 13, 2013, 02:56am

If Team A violates by not providing a thrower after a timeout twice, the first is a violation and the second is a Team technical foul. What if Team A then breaks the throwin plane boundary while Bis trying to make a throw in? Warning for DOG or Team tech for DOG?

bob jenkins · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:34am

The warning covers all 4(?) delays. Any further violation of any of the 4 is a T.

In NCAA, it's one warning for each of the 4.

Sharpshooternes · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 13, 2013, 10:31pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The warning covers all 4(?) delays. Any further violation of any of the 4 is a T.

In NCAA, it's one warning for each of the 4.

Not making a free thrower available is not one of the four delays.

JetMetFan · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 13, 2013, 10:41pm

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Not making a free thrower available is not one of the four delays.

Resumption of play and Delay of game are two different things.

NFHS 8-1-2

Following a time-out or intermission, the resumption-of-play procedure may be used to prevent delay. The administering official will sound the whistle to indicate play will resume. The ball shall be placed at the disposal of the thrower or placed on the floor and the count shall begin. Either or both teams may be charged with a violation. Following a violation by one or both teams, if the offending team(s) continues to delay, a technical foul shall be ruled.

NCAAW 4-31-1 & 2

Art. 1. Resumption of play is the method of putting the ball in play by placing the ball at the disposal of the player. The resumption of play is in effect for the entire game except to start the second half or any extra period.
Art. 2. When a team is not ready to resume play following the final horn to end a timeout, the officials shall issue one warning to the head coach and report the warning to the official scorer. When the same team subsequently is not prepared to play following the final horn to end a timeout, the officials shall use the resumption of play procedure.

I posted the NCAAW rule because that's the rule book I own

NHS 4-47-1 through 4 and NCAAW 4-10-1d-g cover what triggers the DoG warnings.

Sharpshooternes · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 13, 2013, 11:10pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Resumption of play and Delay of game are two different things.

NFHS 8-1-2

Following a time-out or intermission, the resumption-of-play procedure may be used to prevent delay. The administering official will sound the whistle to indicate play will resume. The ball shall be placed at the disposal of the thrower or placed on the floor and the count shall begin. Either or both teams may be charged with a violation. Following a violation by one or both teams, if the offending team(s) continues to delay, a technical foul shall be ruled.

NCAAW 4-31-1 & 2

Art. 1. Resumption of play is the method of putting the ball in play by placing the ball at the disposal of the player. The resumption of play is in effect for the entire game except to start the second half or any extra period.
Art. 2. When a team is not ready to resume play following the final horn to end a timeout, the officials shall issue one warning to the head coach and report the warning to the official scorer. When the same team subsequently is not prepared to play following the final horn to end a timeout, the officials shall use the resumption of play procedure.

I posted the NCAAW rule because that's the rule book I own

NHS 4-47-1 through 4 and NCAAW 4-10-1d-g cover what triggers the DoG warnings.

I guess that is my question: because they are different you can actually have two warnings before any cups of T are handed out. Even though a free thrower is not available twice, you could still have warning for DOG later in the game, or vice versa.

bob jenkins · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:49am

Sorry, I was just addressing the second part of your question.

If there has not been a TO (or intermission), if the team fails to provide a free-thrower, it's an immediate T. (You will / should do everything you can to avoid the T.)

If there has been a TO (or intermission), then it's ROP -- put the ball on the floor. A must now request a TO, or it will be a violation. If they take the violation, and then still don't put the FT'er out there, it's a T.

No DOG warning in either case.

So, if later the team reaches through the plane, that becomes the first DOG warning.

Sharpshooternes · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 15, 2013, 01:21am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Sorry, I was just addressing the second part of your question.

If there has not been a TO (or intermission), if the team fails to provide a free-thrower, it's an immediate T. (You will / should do everything you can to avoid the T.)

If there has been a TO (or intermission), then it's ROP -- put the ball on the floor. A must now request a TO, or it will be a violation. If they take the violation, and then still don't put the FT'er out there, it's a T.

No DOG warning in either case.

So, if later the team reaches through the plane, that becomes the first DOG warning.

Perfect, that is what I wanted to know.