Birddog shooter on shooting foul?
 

In your respective areas, do your associations want you to birddog a shooter on a shooting foul? I know manual 2.4.2 (B) (5) says to verbalize the shooter, but do you visually birddog as well?

No.

No. It is getting harder and harder to find people who birddog the person who committed the foul now.

Birddogging is optional. It is up to each official, but most do not use it at all.

Peace

The next time I see this will be the first time.

I don't recall myself or any of my partners using it last year. With a good verbal preliminary signal ("55-Blue, on the arm, two shots, 21's my shooter"), I'm not sure it would be necessary.

I asked the question last yr and here were the results.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...-bird-dog.html

I've used it on occasion, but most folks don't.

Some Threads Can Be Confusing ...
 

Last year's thread was in regard to bird dogging the player charged with the foul. This thread is in regard to bird dogging the shooter.

Bird Dog (Everly Brothers) ...
 

I've never used the "official" bird dog signal (arm outstretched, palm down, point to hip) to identify the shooter (just the player who fouled, as an option). If the shooter is obvious, I do nothing. If the shooter is not obvious, I will make eye contact with my partner, point to the shooter with a traditional, garden variety, pointing gesture, and state, "Shooter", to my partner.

Since we began not shooting team control fouls several years ago, and now with throwin fouls considered team control fouls, the non-obvious shooter on a screening foul doesn't come up any more, so the shooter is often more obvious than in the past.

It's never even discussed.

Cannot think of a reason why we would ever "bird dog" the shooter. Just makes no sense and will only lead to lots of confusion.

Thanks all. I am new to my current area and am being forced to go through their new official training session (my previous years don't count/transfer I suppose) and this is one of several head scratchers that they are trying to engrain in their new officials. Was new, and relatively crazy, for me as well.

Never seen such sticklers for directional pointing form either...

You don't happen to be in southest TN?

Nope.

Extra Precaution ...
 

I agree that we wouldn't want to "bird dog" the shooter, but sometimes it may be necessary to identify the shooter, in some manner, to your partner. You may not want to be the only person in the gym who knows who the "real" shooter is. Players may be confused, and coaches, at least around these parts, have been known to try some crazy stunts. We don't need any correctable errors, or any hanky panky, in our games when it can be prevented. Having an extra set of eyes knowing who the "real" shooter is can be helpful in a few situations.

Like Adam...I have found myself doing this a couple times the past few years.

Example:

Off ball with several players or maybe in the key or on a rebound...A1 pushes B1 in the back. I close in with a whistle and fist, puching through the roof, then say..."You" (pointing to A1) "pushed him!" (pointing to B1)

I don't like the "Sword Point"...but, there I am taking liberties with the mechanics.

I don't know...maybe at the time I have felt I need to show the players I'm watching them both and want to squelsh any thoughts of retaliation by B1.

Sure. A quick "Partner, 25 blue is our shooter" works great. Or a simple "Shooter is right there" with a quick finger point...but certainly not a bird dog.

Wow, Dan, you went back 18 months to find that one. :)

My Baby Does The Hanky Panky (Tommy James And The Shondells) ...
 

Especially important when going into a time out. Hopefully the shooter before the timeout is the same as the "shooter" after the time out.