New 1-18

constable · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:04am

Is it just me or is the prohibition on announcements one of the dumbest rules out there?

How will this be enforced?

Will it actually be enforced?

bob jenkins · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:38am

1-18 under what rules code? Please provide the wording (if it's FED, I don't have the books yet -- and this might be a year we don't get them in IL)

APG · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:53am

NFHS
1-18

The playing of music/sound effects shall only be permitted during pregame, time-outs, intermission and post-game. The use of artificial noisemakers shall be prohibited. The announcer shall be prohibited from making announcements during the game, such as "two minutes to go."

Underlined part is new.

bob jenkins · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:57am

It will have to be a discussion with the table for the first few games then.

I don't think the part on artificial noisemakers is new (but it might have been moved to this clause).

constable · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:04am

Define "during the game"?

Does this mean that announcing the player who scored the basket is now prohibited?

Adam · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:14am

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Originally Posted by constable

Define "during the game"?

Does this mean that announcing the player who scored the basket is now prohibited?

It would seem so. This could be a PITA rule.

constable · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:18am

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Originally Posted by Adam

It would seem so. This could be a PITA rule.

I would be surprised if many local and state ( or Provincial, in my case) associations didn't issue a directive to supersede this rule.

JRutledge · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:45am

I think this is much to do about nothing. I think it is probably to prevent announcers to constantly talk when it is not necessary. Another rule that is vague and until now doubt anyone would notice this wording was changed. I do not see myself doing anything different and would not be surprised if it is not addressed at all. And if it is addressed, there probably would be a clarification.

Peace

Stat-Man · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 04:00pm

I wonder if the powers that be realize how open-ended this rule reads. As constable said, it would put all PA announcers out a job if interpreted strictly.

Maybe NFHS will issue a case play for this to help clarify.

Maybe it's better I'm officiating now. A few years ago, I did stats for a pro-am league and was required by rule (modified NBA) to do the 2 minute announcement and it has stuck with me ever since whenever I've been on the mic.

Fortunately, I doubt I'll have to address this in the next game I officiate... MS girls next week.

OKREF · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:14pm

This is straight from the new editorial change in the current Rulebook.

The announcer shall be prohibited from making announcements while the clock is running during the course of the contest

So while the ball is essentially live, the announcer is quiet. No more "Jane Doe with a 3 pointer"

Just don't get the NFHS sometimes.

JRutledge · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:25pm

That is the way I read it too. But that seems awful restrictive and silly. I get it if they are interfering, but I do not see why you would not allow them to announce a basket made near the end which could be brief and the ball could be live. I think the NF just troubled, trouble.

Peace

Stat-Man · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 09:29pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is the way I read it too. But that seems awful restrictive and silly. I get it if they are interfering, but I do not see why you would not allow them to announce a basket made near the end which could be brief and the ball could be live. I think the NF just troubled, trouble.

Peace

+1

I'd be curious to know the impetus for the rule. Even if this was written to address problems with PA announcers, it seems like this went too far and opens more cans of worms than it closes.

JetMetFan · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man

I'd be curious to know the impetus for the rule.

Easy. PA announcers treating the game as though it’s an And-1 mix tape and, my guess is, a few others commenting on calls. Someone called Indianapolis and the rest is NFHS rule history.

I had a BV game near the end of the ’11-12 school year where there was a student handling the PA and he was basically doing play-by-play during the action as though we were in the park. I told him to stop and he said no one had complained about it all season, which I can believe.

BillyMac · #14 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 19, 2013, 06:05am

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Announcers treating the game as though it’s an And-1 ... others commenting on calls ... doing play-by-play during the action ... I told him to stop and he said no one had complained about it all season, which I can believe.

I've had this (above) exactly once in thirty-two years, with no other problems in almost a thousand of high school games. What's wrong with, "East Oshkosh basket by Joey Smith. Assist from Johnny Jones", after a score?

JetMetFan · #15 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 19, 2013, 02:40pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

I've had this (above) exactly once in thirty-two years, with no other problems in almost a thousand of high school games. What's wrong with, "East Oshkosh basket by Joey Smith. Assist from Johnny Jones", after a score?

Billy, what you’re describing will be the test case and I don’t see anything wrong with it. It would seem if a school’s game management has a question about “Basket by X, assist from Y, Team Z leads 32-22” those in charge should give a call to Indianapolis to find out exactly what’s allowed.