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Luis Tue Aug 13, 2013 09:23am

NCAA vs FIBA Rules
 
Guys I'm currently writing an thesis about the different rules between NCAA & FIBA and I wonder if you can offer me any prospective/opinion.

1. Different rules you're concerning;
2. Benefit of that rule at either side;
3. Other thoughts
Ps, Miscellaneous topics are welcomed as well such as the unique zebra ref shirts/all-black shoes required (marked logos) etc.

Thanks

JRutledge Tue Aug 13, 2013 09:46am

Most here are from America, so we rarely if ever deal with any FIBA rules. So I am sure I am not totally alone, I have no concerns about FIBA rules as it relates to NCAA or any other rules code for example. That being said there are certainly a few that are from Canada and other countries that post here. Maybe they can help, but they are not that big in numbers as those from this country, but certainly those can bring some perspective. Otherwise I am sure most rarely even think of FIBA rules except for every 4 years in the Olympics.

Peace

Rich Tue Aug 13, 2013 02:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 902466)
Most here are from America, so we rarely if ever deal with any FIBA rules. So I am sure I am not totally alone, I have no concerns about FIBA rules as it relates to NCAA or any other rules code for example. That being said there are certainly a few that are from Canada and other countries that post here. Maybe they can help, but they are not that big in numbers as those from this country, but certainly those can bring some perspective. Otherwise I am sure most rarely even think of FIBA rules except for every 4 years in the Olympics.

Peace

tl;dr -- Don't know, don't care, ask someone else.

constable Thu Aug 22, 2013 06:54pm

Fiba prefers to have the outcome decided by the players. That is why they don't allow for the calling of live ball timeouts. American rule sets gives far more control to the coaches.

When you scrape away a few goofy nuances that FIBA has the rules are quite similar.

SmokeEater Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:13pm

This is a presentation we received from the National Rules Interpreter when Canada was switching over to full FIBA rule set.

FIBA vs NCAA Rules Presentation

If this link doesnt open the presentation scroll down the page and find it.

johnny d Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:15pm

Allowing timeouts to be called during a live ball situation means the coaches decide the outcome of a game rather than the players..............wow!:eek:

JRutledge Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:17pm

What does calling timeout during a live ball really have to do with the coaches? It is not uncommon for a player on their own to get in some kind of trouble with the ball and request a timeout. Sounds like players are making many of those decisions if you ask me.

Peace

SmokeEater Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:24pm

I think it was a poor choice of words. But FIBA does not encourage live ball stoppages in play. Therefore making the game flow along faster and allows the players to decide the outcome.

Time Outs can only be called through the scorekeepers bench by the coach or assistant and only during a time stoppage.

Raymond Fri Aug 23, 2013 02:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeEater (Post 903203)
I think it was a poor choice of words. But FIBA does not encourage live ball stoppages in play. Therefore making the game flow along faster and allows the players to decide the outcome.

Time Outs can only be called through the scorekeepers bench by the coach or assistant and only during a time stoppage.

Players always decide the outcome.

Mark Padgett Fri Aug 23, 2013 03:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by constable (Post 903163)
Fiba prefers to have the outcome decided by the players.

So...under NCAA rules, how many points, on average, do the coaches score? :confused:

Freddy Fri Aug 23, 2013 04:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeEater (Post 903203)
Time Outs can only be called through the scorekeepers bench by the coach or assistant and only during a time stoppage.

If the Fed adopted this and if this rule had a Facebook page I would push the "Like" button.

LeeBallanfant Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeEater (Post 903203)
I think it was a poor choice of words. But FIBA does not encourage live ball stoppages in play. Therefore making the game flow along faster and allows the players to decide the outcome.

Time Outs can only be called through the scorekeepers bench by the coach or assistant and only during a time stoppage.

I believe coaches can call a time out any time they want. It will be only be awarded during a time stoppage.

LeeBallanfant Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis (Post 902462)
Guys I'm currently writing an thesis about the different rules between NCAA & FIBA and I wonder if you can offer me any prospective/opinion.

1. Different rules you're concerning;
2. Benefit of that rule at either side;
3. Other thoughts
Ps, Miscellaneous topics are welcomed as well such as the unique zebra ref shirts/all-black shoes required (marked logos) etc.

Thanks

The FIBA rule I think should be incorporated into US rules is the advantage rule on free throws. Offensive player, other than the shooter, violates on a free throw and shot goes in, ignore violation.

Worst FIBA rule is timeout from the bench. No reason for this

Adam Sat Aug 24, 2013 07:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 903229)
If the Fed adopted this and if this rule had a Facebook page I would push the "Like" button.

No way I'd want the FIBA rule for timeouts. It completely eliminates any chance at clock management late in the game.

Now, I would like to see coaches' ability to request timeout restricted to dead ball periods (including when the clock is running) and leave the rest to players. (It might actually force a lot more officials to understand when the ball is actually dead and when it's not.)

Freddy Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:05am

The Real World is Different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 903259)
. . . I would like to see coaches' ability to request timeout restricted to dead ball periods (including when the clock is running) and leave the rest to players.

Assuming there is a bargaining process between coaches and officials before NFHS revises a rule, which of course is not true, I would be happy to settle for this as a reasonable middle ground.
We're fooling ourselves anyway. I'm struggling to recall the last time coaches had something given to them that they were willing to give up. It would be like waking up to find out the seat belt rule was reenacted or something.


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