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APG Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:19am

Foul During Free Throw (Fool the Official)
 
Not a common play:

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bob jenkins Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:22am

What am I missing?

rockyroad Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:40am

Defensive player in top position grabs offensive players arm and pulls him over causing the lane violation. C couldn't see that, and T was not paying any attention.

Bad Zebra Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:06am

That's actually a pretty funny sequence. Black player was definitely sneaky in causing the whistle...but it looks like white actually violated first by pushing his butt into the black player to start the whole series. Looks like karma to me.

White 30 was trying to be sly during his violation but black player had a better answer.

JRutledge Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:20am

This is an area we just seem to go to sleep on. I am not surprised it was missed and I missed it until I read certain comments.

Peace

Raymond Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:27am

MultipleSports should be along shortly to comment b/c that was his hero, Al Battista, who made the call.

The Trail should have offered some help on this play as he appears to be looking in the direction of those 2 players.

grunewar Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 901096)
This is an area we just seem to go to sleep on.

Agreed. I'm trying to increase my concentration here. As soon as you let your guard down and take a play, any play, for granted, that's when the "fit hits the shan."

Multiple Sports Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:38am

Those are fighting words........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 901097)
MultipleSports should be along shortly to comment b/c that was his hero, Al Battista, who made the call.

The Trail should have offered some help on this play as he appears to be looking in the direction of those 2 players.

I will comment on the play at a later date, but as to "Al Battista hero comment "......well maybe you are a little jealous on the 757 "

Raymond Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 901099)
I will comment on the play at a later date, but as to "Al Battista hero comment "......well maybe you are a little jealous on the 757 "

I only get bits and pieces of Al, you get the full smorgasbord. :D

JetMetFan Mon Jul 29, 2013 03:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 901095)
That's actually a pretty funny sequence. Black player was definitely sneaky in causing the whistle...but it looks like white actually violated first by pushing his butt into the black player to start the whole series. Looks like karma to me.

White 30 was trying to be sly during his violation but black player had a better answer.

I agree. Look at the offensive player's feet. It appears his left foot is on the lane-space mark before the defensive player decides to take him for a drag.


Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 901089)
C couldn't see that, and T was not paying any attention.

It's on the entire crew however those two players are the L's problem until the FT is in the air.

rockyroad Mon Jul 29, 2013 03:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 901110)


It's on the entire crew however those two players are the L's problem until the FT is in the air.

Not when the L takes himself out of the play by going as wide as he did. No way he could see all that sneakiness from where he put himself. T was the one who had the best look at those two knuckleheads.

JetMetFan Mon Jul 29, 2013 03:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 901112)
Not when the L takes himself out of the play by going as wide as he did. No way he could see all that sneakiness from where he put himself. T was the one who had the best look at those two knuckleheads.

Okay, I'll modify the statement: According to the manual, L is supposed to be responsible for those two knuckleheads.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Jul 29, 2013 04:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 901097)
MultipleSports should be along shortly to comment b/c that was his hero, Al Battista, who made the call.

The Trail should have offered some help on this play as he appears to be looking in the direction of those 2 players.


Yes, the T could have helped out, but where was the L in this play. He definitely should have got this play before the C made his call.

That said, BadNews, is that really Al? When was this game played? Al and I are good friends and have known each other for 20 years. There is not better person with regard to the NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's rules than Al. He can tell you what year a rule was changed and from what to what it was changed and can tell you the Rule, Section, and Article that was changed, all without climbing up into his attic like I have to do.

MTD, Sr.

Camron Rust Mon Jul 29, 2013 06:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 901095)
.but it looks like white actually violated first by pushing his butt into the black player to start the whole series.

What violation has he committed?

BillyMac Mon Jul 29, 2013 07:03pm

Foul ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cameron Rust (Post 901143)
What violation has he committed?

A foul is not the same thing as a violation. Basketball Rules 101.


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